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b_squared
07-19-2011, 05:16 PM
I'm trying to join all the "best known sources" threads into this one. I'll keep it closed for now so I can get all the placeholders into place. In the meantime, please PM or post in the original threads. Moderators, please sticky this and unsticky the old threads.

This thread is an eternal work-in-progress, meant to reflect whatever the current wisdom of the members of this tracker is. Its scope will be limited only to concerts, I believe studio tracks warrant a different thread. Also, this list refers only to what's available here in the Yeeshkul! tracker, a map of the gold mine, if you will. If you know of a better source than what is listed here, by all means, please upload it! I'll be more than happy to update the list. :)

Contributions are more than welcome, and thanks to Bert13, littlepieces, Darkcycle, goldenband and Mandrill, jimfisheye, movement, Eckoes, TAF, ******* (of course), zbinks, Lennyif for theirs.

Starting kit:

1967-1969 BBC sessions: easiest way to get the whole lot is BBC Archives 1967-1969 (HRV CDR 008) RevB
1969-09-17 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam, Netherlands: The Man and the Journey, on all of its glory. VPRO broadcasted the whole thing, and we have a pre-FM transfer released as Amsterdam 69 (HRV CDR 003)
1977-05-09 Alameda Colisseum, Oakland, CA: Probably the best-sounding recording from the Animals tour. Go straight to the source and get the Mouth of the Beast 0053 release in 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit
1980-02-28 Nassau Coliseum New York, NY: if Is There Anybody Out There? (http://www.amazon.com/There-Anybody-Out-Wall-Live/dp/B00004SVID) is not enough for you, curl up in your own lonely hotel room with another excellent Mouth of the Beast release in 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit.

b_squared
07-19-2011, 05:17 PM
1967-05-14 Look of the Week: Archive master copy > Mini Disc
1967-09-10 Gyllene Circelen, Stockholm: AUD > AUD :)
1967-09-13 Copenhagen: Marbal's 3rd gen tape / Neonknight Transfer / Little Pieces Production (LPP) 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit. As an alternative, What Syd Wants (HRV CDR 032), from Bernard White's reels
1967-09-25 Playhouse Theatre, London (BBC)
1967-11-13 Rotterdam (Gerrit M): Marbal's 3rd gen 24bit/96kHz or 16 bits/44.1kHz. As an alternative, there's another (slightly less complete) 3rd gen source from Bernard White's reels in What Syd Wants (HRV CDR 032)
1967-12-20 Maida Vale Studios, London (BBC)

b_squared
07-19-2011, 05:18 PM
1968-05-06 Rome:

VPRO broadcast: FM > DAT[M] > DAT(2) > CDR(?) > EAC > FLAC
IO from German TV: On The Air compilation (also has the VPRO broadcast)

1968-05-31 Paradiso, Amsterdam (both shows): cass[1] > DAT(4)@48khz, or Beechwood's 4th gen transferred by Neonknight. They both have their pros and cons.
1968-06-25 Piccadilly Studios, London (BBC Top Gear)

August 11 broadcast: BBC Masters > DAT > Amadeus> Xact > Flac Best and most natural sounding transfer of all the different versions of the August 11 broadcast.
September 1 broadcast (with different sequence of songs): neonknight's transfer of Beechwood's unknown gen tape Recorded off air.

1968-07-27 Shrine Exposition Hall, Los Angeles California: Messin With The Blues (EVSD-489-491)
1968-12-02 Maida Vale Studios, London

1968-12-15 broadcast, unknown gen
Pink Floyd Night on 6 Music, Point me at the Sky only
1987 Westwood One vinyl radio show "60's At The Beeb" has the best version (so far) of Embryo, but fades out 5 or 6 seconds early

1968-12-28 Utrecht, Holland (Gerrit M): neonknight's 4th gen, which is missing some tune-ups available in cass[1] > DAT(?) > SHN, or gotta_be_crazy's low gen

b_squared
07-19-2011, 05:19 PM
1969-03-27 St. James Hall, Chesterfied, UK: Reel(M) > Cass(1) > CDR (Reeling In Pink Floyd CD) (edit)
1969-04-14 Royal Festival Hall, London

Recorder 1 (Roy "Guinness Wilby"): This is a mono recording made with a dictaphone type cassette machine with an internal mic. The Man can be found in Jon R Tape / Arrangements by Ron Toon / Neonknight Cassette Transfer 96kHz or 44.1kHz. A complete, but not as good, recording circulates as 2nd gen or 2nd gen
Recorder 2 (Band-santioned recording): 2nd gen stereo - Jon R Tape / Arrangements by Ron Toon / Neonknight Cassette Transfer 24bit/96kHz or 16bit/44.1kHz
Recorder 3 (Stern's sound man): Spencer Kelly Collection / Arrangements by Beechwoods and Neonknight / Neonknight Tape Transfer

1969-05-09 University of Southampton (Nick Ralph): Master Reel > DAT (48Khz) > WAVE (48Khz) > FLAC
1969-05-12 Paris Cinema London (BBC): BBC Archives 1967-1969 (HRV CDR 008) RevB
1969-06-22 Free Trade Hall, Manchester, UK (John Baxter): Lord Snooty 1st Gen Cassettes/LPP 24/96
1969-06-26 London (Nick Ralph): there are three raw transfers of Bernard White's 2nd gen reel. Pick your favorite.
1969-08-08 Plumpton Racetrack

Recorder 1 (Anders V): Neonknight's 3rd gen/LPP A newer transfer by neonknight on better equipment (but without the LP mastering) can be found here: Cass(3) 24/96
Recorder 2 (Nick Ralph): Reeling In Pink Floyd CD source (Rev) According to neonknight BW's Reels were 2nd gen so the lineage should read: Reel(M) > Reel(1) > Reel(2) > MD(1) > CDR.
Composite of recorder 1 and 2: Hot Night In Plumpton

1969-08-09 Paradiso, Amsterdam: Celestial Voices (MOB revision)
1969-09-17 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam

VPRO pre-broadcast: Amsterdam 69 (HRV CDR 003) +Master Clone
Hilversum broadcast: Kbrubaker Unknown Gen Cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer. The pre-broadcast copy is obviously far superior, but many listened to this concert too many times with the announcers, so this is a nice piece of nostalgia.
Audience: Cass(2)>DAT(0)>WAV>FLAC(16bit/44.1kHz), contains "The Man" only

1969-10-11 Song Days Festival, Essen

Song Days '69 [FRP CDR 001]
Video source: MOB remaster

1969-10-25 Amougies Pop & Jazz Festival, Belgium: Interstellar Zappadrive [HRVCDR031] or Let's Be Frank (FA015). The raw audience source is available in Amougies Day 2
1969-12-06 Afan Indoor Sports Center, Port Talbot, Wales: Lord Snooty 1st Gen Cassette/LPP (incomplete), find the missing STC in cass[2]>DAT[3]>cdr[1]. Or download PatGoD67's Complete Show

b_squared
07-19-2011, 05:20 PM
1970-01-18 Fairfield Hall, Croydon, Surrey, England: 5th gen rev A(Neonknight tape/JFE mastering) 24/96
1970-01-23 Théâtre des Champs Elysées, Paris, France

Audience recording (Gérard): Master (processed) or its remaster, Alphi-Neonknight-Jimfisheye 24/96 Master and CD version
Radio Broadcast (see this post for more information)

Source 1 (AM source 1): Neonknight Tape / Little Pieces Production
Source 2 (interview with DG, 1982): contains Work. Neonknight's tape
Source 3 (1995 re-broadcast): Cass(1)>CDR(low)>EAC>FLAC. See also the Alphi-Neonknight-Jimfisheye torrent above for a restoration of this source called the "VIP Section".
Source 4 (AM source 2): raw or speed corrected
Source 5 (AM source 3): Philips > Geloso mono tape recorder G257 > Sony stereo tape recorder TC-377 > Archos AV320


1970-02-11 Birmingham, UK: Lord Snooty's low gen cassette / Little Pieces Production (LPP) / Neonknight 96/24 or CD version
1970-02-28 Leeds, UK (John Parkin): Raw: MASTER REELS > DAT @48kHz/16bIT > WAVE (PROTOOLS) @48kHz/16bIT or its remaster, Six Of One (HRV CDR 030) Rev.A
1970-03-12 Auditorium Maximum, Hamburg University, Hamburg, West Germany: Tails in Pink. There's another older transfer here
1970-03-13 Berlin: Cass(M) > DAT(?) > CDR(?) (Analog Master) which has a few spots of diginoise. A clean transfer from 4th gen can be found here: Richard, Are You Ready Yet? (edit). Both have their merits.
1970-03-14 Meistersinger Halle, Nuremburg, West Germany: Cassette(2)>DAT(2)>SHN or its remaster, Masters of the Mystic arts, 2nd Edition (R&D)
1970-03-15 Hannover, West Germany: Reeling 1st gen-DAT[2] [32khz] (DVD 7 - Tape 31)
1970-03-20 Lund, Sweden: Master-DAT@16/48 or another clone, but this is probably, at best, a first gen. There are a number of remasters/speed-corrected versions in the tracker, such as LP's Master of Lund or this one, but they've all been sourced from CDR rips, not the original 16/48 DAT source. All these DAT sources suffer from diginoise with 9 secs of The Embryo damaged beyond repair, this Cass(4) 24/96 SPC has a clean Embryo.
1970-04-11 Stony Brook, NY: Trademark Moo (HL630), but it's missing a little bit of audience banter present in other tapes
1970-04-22 Port Chester, NY (Ken and Judy Lee): the original weed source (Sony TC-110 > Cass(M) > Soundforge > CDR(0)) has been dehissed. This version is identical to the source above, though tracked differently, and is patched with an inferior source to complete ASoS and include IO.
1970-04-29 Filmore West, San Francisco, CA

Rec 1: this 1st gen>DAT doesn't sound as nice as other sources, but it hasn't been processed and has good potential
Rec 2

1970-04-30 KQED, San Francisco, CA: 3/4" U-Matic > DVCAM Pro > 48kHz 24 Bit FLAC or its remaster, Pink Floyd KQED (HRV CDR 034)
1970-05-01 Santa Monica, CA: 1st gen reel
1970-06-27 Bath Festival, Bath

Rec 1 (Mike D): Reel(M)toDAT [16-48], but the lineage might be uncertain as per 70294
Rec 2 (Jack Moore): from Mind Your Throats DVD

1970-06-28 Kralingen Pop Festival, Rotterdam, Holland: 1st gen-DAT or JFE remaster
1970-07-12 Soersfestival 3-Day Open Air Festival, Aachen Soerser Stadium, Aachen, Germany (Ulrich A.): Neonknight's unknown gen
1970-07-16 Paris Theatre, London, UK: BBC Mono Master RevA
1970-07-18 Hyde Park, London, UK

Rec 1 (David): BASF L-C60 Tape (M), Mono Phillips cassette recorder > Nakamichi ZX-7 > Audiophile 2496 soundcard > flac(44.1 kHz)
Rec 2: possibly reel > MD(0) > CDR(?) > FLAC
Complete composite: 14835

1970-08-08 Saint-Tropez Music Festival: Saint-Tropez (TPR CD 005)
1970-09-12 Fête de L'Humanité: Doinker's low gen
1970-09-26 Electric Factory: this 2nd gen (96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit) misses StCftHotS but sounds better than Master Reel-DAT[4] [48khz], or its remaster Electric Factory Rev. A
1970-09-27 Filmore East: marbal's unknown gen
1970-10-16 Pepperland Auditorium San Rafael, California (Jay D. and Ron C.): Grolf's Baked Pepperland Reel (1st gen 1/4" RtR Tape) or its remaster, Rolf's Pepperland Bomb [MQR 012]
1970-10-23 Civic Center, Santa Monica, California:

Rec 1 (Dub Taylor): TMS gen2 24-96 or the raw transfer
Rec 2: Doinker's vinyl
Quadraphonic Matrix: JFE's quad master 24-96 DVDA

1970-11-06 Concertgebouw, Amsterdam, Holland

Source 1: Cass(1) > DAT(2)@48kHz (Rev)
Source 2: unknown gen 24/96 neonknight
Composite of source 1 and 2: Mind Your Throats Adam (SPC)

1970-11-07 Grote Zaal de Doelen, Rotterdam, Holland: marbal's 4th gen is superior to either JFE's remaster, from Floydweed 06 and the 1st gen
1970-11-28 (or 1970-11-11, actual date is still in dispute) Saarbrucken: Doinker's Pictures of Pink Floyd Restoration Project or blokhead's speed correction
1970-11-12 Falkoner Centret, Copenhagen, Denmark

Rec 1 (EX) (89m): master
Rec 2 (VG) (110m): 3rd gen
Compilation: Bert13's rec 1 + 2 low gen Revision

1970-11-13 Aarhus, Denmark: Denmark Behind Us Revision
1970-11-14 Ernst-Merck Halle Hamburg Germany: Hoka Cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer 96/24 or Bert13's speed correction
1970-11-21 Altes Casino, Montreux, Switzerland: before proceeding, read this (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showpost.php?p=114173&postcount=241)

Rec 1: Master Reels. Used for the final three songs on "Smoking Blues" (which are heavily boosted and EQ'd). Complete except for the end of GITC, all of CWTAE, a couple minutes of ASOS, and the beginning of JATB.
Rec 2: The Good... (FA033). Believed to be a radio broadcast (it opens with a DJ speaking in French), and sounds like it includes at least some feed directly from the board. Includes AD/FOS/Cymbaline/GITC/CWTAE/STC. Major speed fluctuations on CWTAE.
Rec 3: The Bad (FA033). Audience tape. Includes AHM/Embryo/GITC/CWTAE. CWTAE is cut.
Compilation: Too Late For Mind Expanding (HRV CDR 036)

1970-11-22 Altes Casino, Montreux, Switzerland

Rec 1: Reeling on Pink Floyd Tape 24 (Master Reel > 1st gen reel copy > cassette copy > DAT@48khz). Complete, except that IO cuts right before the end. There was some debate about whether this is the same recorder as the "Smoking Blues" source, but I think the discussion here (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15098&page=3) put that to bed.
Rec 2 (Victor): Smoking Blues has the first set (AD/FOS/Cym/AHM), and IO is in Master Reels, which cuts a little after ~10 minutes. Sound quality is somewhat inferior to other sources. The first part of the concert from this recorder may be on the "ankh reel" seen here (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showpost.php?p=113339&postcount=108).
Compilation: Too Early for a Gig (HRV CDR 037)

1970-11-25 Friedrich Ebert Halle, Ludwigshafen, Germany (Heribert B.): 1st gen Marbal Cassettes/ Neonknight Tape Transfer/ Little Pieces Production (LPP) 24bit/96kHz or 16bit/44kHz
1970-11-26 Killesburg Halle 14, Stuttgart, Germany (Jürgen U): Neonknight Tape Transfer/ Little Pieces Production 5th gen
1970-11-27 Niedersachsenhalle, Hannover, West Germany

Rec 1: Neonknight's transfer of Stratcat58's low gen 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit is a better transfer of a poorer tape compared to (T-136Rev.B), which has some NR and EQ applied.
Rec 2: Hoka Cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer 96/24

1970-11-29 Zirkus Krone, Munich, Germany: Cow Power (LPP)
1970-12-22 Sheffield, UK: Rise And Shine (HRV CDR 035)

b_squared
07-19-2011, 05:21 PM
1971-01-17 "Implosion at The Roundhouse", Camden Town, London, England: Anthony P's low-gen CDR. This sample of a low gen has better sound. The full show is rumored to exist.
1971-01-23 Refectory Hall, Leeds University, England: Partial recording
1971-02-12 Lecture Theater, University of Essex, Colchester, England: 2nd gen or its speed correction
1971-02-13 Students Union Bar, Technical College, Farnborough, Hampshire, England: 1st gen
1971-02-24 Münster, West Germany: Hoka Cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer 96/24
1971-02-25 Grosser Saal Musikhalle, Hamburg, West Germany (N Brothers): 1,2,3,4 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit, which is the original source for all other versions of this show, including M-502. AHM is also available from Neon's 3rd gen. The encore is available from lordsnooty's tape
1971-02-26 Offenbach: Band 29 (1st gen) 96/24 or the CD version
1971-04-03 Oude Ahoy Hallen, Rotterdam, Holland

Recorder 1: 1st gen, but Neonknight's 3rd gen is a superior transfer of a lesser source that overall sounds better
Recorder 2: Live In Rotterdam (R&D)
Composite (rec 2+rec1): Cows in Space, but it uses hard splices and doesn't match the speed between sources. We're still waiting for a definitive Frankenshow of this date.

1971-05-15 Crystal Palace Garden Party, London: Cass(2) > DAT(0)(48kHz)
1971-05-18 Pathfoot Building Refectory, Stirling University, Scotland: NeonKnight/LPP Release
1971-06-04 Duesseldorf

Recorder 1: Doinker's Reel
Recorder 2: 5th or 6th gen

1971-06-05 Sportpalast, West Berlin, Germany

Recorder 3: The Warm Night Falls [PRS-CDR-030]

1971-06-12 Palais des Sports, Lyon: Broadcasting from Europa 1
1971-06-19 Palazzo Delle Manifestazioni Artistiche, Brescia, Italy: TDB's RLR source, complete the ending with the 2nd gen
1971-06-20 Paleur, Rome: pinkrudy's transfer of marbal's 2nd gen
1971-06-26 Amstel Free Concert, Amtserdamse Bos, Amsterdam, Holland

Recorder 1 (N Brothers): We Want More or Reeling in Pink Floyd DVD 7 - Tape 29
Recorder 2: Reeling in Pink Floyd DVD 2 - Tape 1

1971-07-01 Ossiach, Austria: Neon's 5th gen
1971-08-06 Hakone Aphrodite, Japan

Recorder 1: Hakone Rec1 (from Syd)
Recorder 2: Festival for the Nips
Recorder 3: Aphrodite Master

1971-08-09 Osaka, Japan: 2nd gen > DAT (48kHz) > wav (44.1kHz) or its speed correction. There's supposed to be a clean transfer of the DAT without resampling, but that hasn't shown up in the tracker yet.
1971-08-13 Festival Hall, Melbourne, Australia

Raw: Genuine 1st gen
Remaster: Planets Meeting Down Under

1971-09-18 Montreux

Recorder 1: Master Reels
Recorder 2: 2nd gen casss 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit is an upgrade to Remember the Lesson of Giving (1st gen reel>DAT)

1971-09-23 Faulkner Theater, Copenhagen

Recorder 1: hamp_dk's Cassettes (which are 2nd gen instead of 1st) transferred by vince666 at 24/96 and 16/44.1. After 3 and a half years we're still waiting for vince666's remaster. Some prefer T's transfer from 1st gen Reels T-379 which has been EQ'd. The September 25 date is incorrect.
Recorder 2: not available

1971-09-30 Paris Theater, London (BBC): BBC Archives 1971 (HRV CDR 007B Rev A), but you can get the incomplete set in high resolution from this transfer of the BBC Transcription LP. The last two tracks were broadcast by WNEW and can be found in Neonknight's 1st gen transfer of *******'s tape
1971-10-04 Pompeii
1971-10-10 The Great Hall, Bradford University, Yorkshire, England: One Of These Days In Bradford
1971-10-16 Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica, CA (Al): Cosmos Topper (MQR-010) 1st gen
1971-10-17 San Diego: Live at Sun Hall 24/48
1971-10-27 Auditorium Theater, Chicago, Illinois: 2nd gen or its speed correction
1971-10-28 Hill Auditorium, Ann Arbor, Michigan: 2nd gen Reeling in PF CD source
1971-10-31 Fieldhouse, University of Toledo, Toledo, OH: unknown analogue source > CDR (T-1606) incomplete show, edited and tweaked (EQ'd) by T
1971-11-05 Hunter College, New York

Recorder 1: Closes Meet or 2nd gen (missing ASOS), somebody needs to do a comparison
Recorder 2: there's the Reeling 1st gen source, but pf-db lists a master... upload, anyone?

1971-11-06 Cleveland, Ohio: Sony TC55>Handheld Sony Mic>Sony C90 Cassettes
1971-11-10 Pavillon de la Jeunesse, Quebec, Canada: cass[2]>DAT(?)>cdr(1) or Cassette(2) > MD(1)(44.1kHz)
1971-11-12 Irvine Auditorium, Philadelphia, PA

Recorder 1: Higher education (R&D)
Recorder 2: Philadelphia experiment

1971-11-15 Carnegie Hall, New York City, NY (unverified date): Only OoTD and a 5 mins fragment of AHM are available: neonknight's 5th gen mastered by little pieces at 24/96 and 16/44.1 or kbrubaker's unknown gen at 24/96 transferred by neonknight which is lower gen but on which OoTD is several mins shorter
1971-11-16 Lisner Auditorium, Washington, DC: according to this post, this is the audio part of a video recording. No signs of this video recording are known.
1971-11-20 Taft Auditorium, Cincinatti: recorder 1 has much better sound but it's incomplete. Show is notorious for a 30 minute version of Embryo, with a jam that could very well be the embryo of Breathe.

Recorder 1: Embryonic Madness (PRS-CDR-026)
Recorder 2: 1st gen
Composite: siege's virtually complete show

b_squared
07-19-2011, 05:22 PM
1972-01-20 The Dome, Brighton, East Sussex, UK Rec 1: A(0)->HiFi VHS->DAT(2)->SHN or its remaster, Here They Come (LPP) Rec 2: nipote's unknown gen 1972-01-21 The Guildhall, Portsmouth, Hampshire: 2nd get>DAT 1972-01-22 Wintergardens, Bournemouth, UK Rec 1: 3rd gen Rec 2: Neonknight's 1st gen, although having some tape flutter, sounds better than Eclipse of the Darkside, which has NR and runs slow. 1972-01-23 The Guildhall, Southampton, Hampshire: unknown gen 1972-01-27 City Hall, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne, Northumberland, UK: marbal's cassettes / pinkrudy transfer 1972-01-28 Leeds University, Yorkshire, UK: You Are Number Six - FRP CDR-030/31, but some claim the 4th gen sounds a bit better 1972-02-12 City Hall, Sheffield, Yorkshire, UK: marbal's unknown gen 1972-02-17 Rainbow Theatre, London: cass[Master] > Hi-Fi > DAT(4) > CDR(?) 1972-02-18 Rainbow Theatre, London: Master [16/48], but read this first 1972-02-19 Rainbow Theatre, London Rec 1: marbal's low gen sounds better than The Rainbow Volumes - 3 ACR-019, but it's missing ASoS Rec 2: End Of The Rainbow (Moon walk part 2) Composite: Complete 19th or JFE's remaster 1972-02-20 Rainbow Theatre, London: Rec 1 (Derek A): Best of Tour '72 Creamcheese's rip in 24/96, LP Archives Vol.1 Rev.A in 16/48 or Prof. Stoned's rip in 16/44.1 Rec 2 (Steve B): Cass(M) > Mini Disc (c) > CDR (Rainbow Theatre) Only DSOTM Set, the rest is from rec 3 for which the 1st gen below is a better option. Rec 3 (John Baxter): Cass(1) > CDR Composite: In Rainbow Light - Rainbow Theatre 1972-02-20 (WRHW001) or Best of the Rainbow - Revision - Happy Pig 1972-03-06 Tokyo Taiikukan, Tokyo, Japan Rec 1: 1st gen-DAT or Bert13's speed correction Rec 2 (FM pirate broadcast): Bert's revision or the common Tokyo FM 1972-03-07 Tokyo Taiikukan, Tokyo, Japan Rec 1: Zeus Records (Z907001) Rec 2: Sigma's Missing Pieces 1972-03-08 Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan 1972-03-09 Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan 1972-03-10 Taiikukan Hall, Kyoto, Japan: Cass(1) to DAT(1) [16-48] 1972-03-13 Nakajima Sports Center, Sapporo, Hokkaido, Japan Rec 1: beerlover's Master Reel > DAT(2) Rec 2: Neonknight's Cass(3)>CDR(1) LPP productions Rec 3?: Missing pieces, AHM only Composite: Sapporo Moon Rev.A 1972-03-30 Free Trade Hall, Manchester, UK 1972-04-15 Sportatorium, Hollywood, FL
Rec 1: cass[M]>[hifi]>DAT>cdr
Rec 2: Beechwoods tape / Neonknight transfer, inferior to recorder 1, but has StCftHotS. Nipote's transfer includes OoTD and announcement of CWTAE

1972-04-16 Township Auditorium, Columbia, SC: Take Up My Stethoscope (2nd gen)
1972-04-20 Syria Mosque Theatre, Pittsburgh, PA: unknown gen 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit
1972-04-23 Music Hall, Cincinatti, OH
1972-04-27 Ford Auditorium, Detroit, MI: War with Pandora
1972-04-28 Auditorium Theater, Chicago, IL

Rec 1: The Great Gig (HL561-562)
Rec 2: Master (cass)>DAT(2) or The Fireman's Tapes Volume I (both supposed clones of the original DAT). There's a speed correction available here as well. There's a more complete version from Doinker's Reel. *********'s HRV CDR 004 RevA comes from a first gen, but has better sound for certain parts of the show.
Quadraphonic matrix: Quadraphonic master 24-44.1 DVDA

1972-05-02 Carnegie Hall, New York, NY (Ken Lee): Mouth of the Beast
1972-05-04 Boston Music Hall, Boston, MA (Joe Maloney): Revision. The raw source can be found here
1972-05-18 Deutschlandhalle, Berlin, Germany

Rec 1: Lord of the Universe
Rec 2: cass[Master] > CDR(4) > SHN
Composite: Master Rev.A

1972-05-21 Insel Grun, Germersheim, Germany

Rec 1: JFE's 24-bit remaster of "Germersheim 1972" LP roio, patched with rec2
Rec 2 (marbal): Island Green (1st gen) 24/96 or 16/44.1
Rec 3: 1st gen-DAT[2] [32khz] (DVD 7 - Tape 31), more distant and includes only "One Of These Days" and "Echoes".

1972-05-22 Amsterdam Rock Circus, Olympic Stadium, Amsterdam, Netherlands

Rec 1:
Rec 2: 1st gen>DAT(?)>CDR(?)

1972-06-28 The Dome, Brighton, East Sussex, UK: 1st gen
1972-09-10 McFarlin Auditorium, Dallas, TX: marbal's 3rd gen or the tracked version
1972-09-22 Hollywood Bowl, Los Angeles, CA

Rec 1 ("Crackers" LP source): 3LP 48kHz
Rec 2 (Donald Carey or Harv Kaslow and Craig Todd?): 1st gen reel. Bowl de Luna (Rev. A) is a nice remaster of a slightly inferior DAT clone of the master, which circulates as Fireman's Tape Vol. 5
Rec 3: Box 1432 Tape, in mono
Composites of recorders 1 and 2: Platinum Crackers or Heywood's version

1972-09-23 Winterland Auditorium, San Francisco, CA: TDK Tape 100 Master Reel>Sirene-046 Silver CDs
1972-09-24 Winterland Auditorium, San Francisco, CA (JD): 1st gen 1/4“ RtR Scotch 203 Tape (7 1/2 ips) 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit
1972-10-21 Wembley Empire Pool, Middlesex, UK
1972-11-10 Copenhagen, Denmark

Rec 1: Dr Who In Denmark
Rec 2: not available. STCFTHOTS, which is missing from recorder 1, is available on DFA's Live In Denimark which for the rest is inferior to Dr Who In Denmark

1972-11-12 Ernst Merck Halle, Hamburg, West Germany (Eike R): Cass(M) > DAT@16/48 (neonknight)
1972-11-14 Phillips Halle, Dusseldorf, West Germany (there are supposed to be 6 recorders total)

Rec 1: Master[Cass]>DAT(3)>CDR(1) or Bert's revision. There is, however, a straight from DAT transfer from the Reeling set, albeit in lower volume.
Rec 2: Only The Moon or the raw version in 24bits/96kHz

1972-11-15 Sporthalle, Böblingen, West Germany

Rec 1: Marbal's 2nd gen / Neonknight Transfer / Little Pieces Production (LPP) 96kHz/24 bits or 44.1kHz/16 bits. Compared to 'Untitled 1st gen', it's missing about 48s of audience tuning before Echoes but has ~8s more before audience preceding OoTD.
Rec 2: The Great Gig In Boblingen Rev A.K
Rec 3: Reeling 32kHz source or goldenband's speed correction. This source is incomplete, this tape is slightly inferior but more complete
Rec 4 (Uli): 1st gen

1972-11-16 Festhalle, Frankfurt, West Germany (marbal): Better Late Than Never (master) 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit
1972-11-17 Festhalle, Frankfurt, West Germany (marbal): TK147 (1st gen reel back-up) 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit
1972-11-29 Palais des Sports, Poitiers, France: master or 1st gen or its remaster, Devil's Inside (FA019). Cochon's release is an alternative
1972-12-01 Palais des Sports, Saint Ouen, France: 1st gen (48 kHz) or its remaster, Harsh Realities
1972-12-05 Sport Paleis Vorst National, Brussels, Belgium (OPUS 5): Master>CDR (speed corrected). There are other, inferior, recorders
1972-12-07 Palais des Sports, Lille, France: "Filling a Gap" (IFWT-CDR-035) or the original master
1972-12-09 Hallenstadion, Zurich, Switzerland

Rec 1: LPP's hi-res or CD quality
Rec 2: JFE remaster
1972-12-10 Palais des Sports, Lyon, France: 1st gen

b_squared
07-19-2011, 05:23 PM
1973-01-13 Palais des Sports de la Porte de Versailles, Paris, France: Master and 1st gen (Cochon)
1973-03-06 Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO: 1st gen > DAT(3) Reeling In Pink Floyd (16/44.1) Digi-noise during Money and Echoes, speed fluctuations during OoTD. See Sportpalast's post in the thread about this being transferred from 1st gen Reel instead of Cass. It's possible there's a CDR gen inbetween which would explain this being 16/44.1.
1973-03-07 International Ampitheatre, Chicago, IL: Cass(2) > CDR(2)
1973-03-08 The Fieldhouse, University of Cincinnati, Cincinnati, OH: Cass(2) > CDR(2). Beneath Infinite Sky sounds much inferior but Echoes includes the end of the song and CWTAE doesn't have the cut towards the end which are on the 2nd gen.
1973-03-10 Memorial Gymnasium, Kent State University, Kent, OH

Source 1: only DSOTM Set in much better sound quality than the source below, from a Master > CDR transfer: Wojtek's Shorter of Breath which is identical to this: Kent State Master
Source 2: complete show, same recorder but sounding much worse: Kent 3/10/73, R&D. This is labeled incorrectly as Stolen Moments Floating Softly On The Air with wrong artwork. ACYL has a repeat of several mins. Echoes is most probably misplaced and should be the first song.

1973-03-11 Maple Leaf Gardens, Toronto, Canada: Cass(1/2) > DAT(4) jbraveman Despite being listed as master this is likely not lower than 1st gen, maybe 2nd. Best available transfer is Cass(2) in 24/96 (Steven Carr)
1973-03-14 Boston Music Hall, Boston, MA (Joe Maloney): Cass(M) > CDR
1973-03-17 Radio City Music Hall, New York, New York, more about the recorders here (http://ygbc.orgfree.com/wow/THEMATIC_WOW_1973-03-17.htm)
Note that a lot of the circulating sources are misdated/mislabeled as 1973-03-18 Waterbury

Recorder 1: 1st gen
Recorder 2: Reeling in PF This great sounding recorder has channel and speed problems, for listening enjoyment get: When You're In RCMH (LPP)
Recorder 3: (misdated) Wojtek's Waterbury Collector's Edition Disc 1 - 2
Recorder 4: (misdated) Cass (unkn gen) > CDR Incomplete recorder which runs slow, recorder 1 cuts in 52 secs into TGGITS and completes the show. A transfer from Cass Master is circulating but not available.
Recorder 5: (misdated) Cass (unkn gen) > CDR Only WYI/OBC.

1973-05-18 Earls Court Exhibition Hall, London, England

Recorder 1 (Groundhog cassette): gotta_be_crazy's low gen or lordsnooty's unknown gen tape
Recorder 2: complete: Cass(low) > DAT 16/48 Reeling In Pink Floyd. Incomplete but better sounding: Cass(low) 24/96 and 16/44.1
Recorder 3 (John Baxter): Shure mics > Studer R2R > Reel[M] > CDR(0) > DAT(0) > FLAC
Recorder 2 completed with recorder 1 (Brain Damage / Eclipse): The White Bootleg

1973-05-19

Recorder 1: Cass(low) > DAT 16/48 Reeling In PF, parts of which have much inferior sound quality. Cass(low) > DAT 16/48 or tracked is a bit less complete but has more consistent sound quality. HRV's Supine In The Sunshine RevA is of overall slightly lesser sound quality but balanced and EQ'd, a matter of taste.
Recorder 2: nipote's unknown gen

1973-06-17 Performing Arts Center, Saratoga, New York (D.K.): Wojtek's (claimed) Cass(M) or glasnostrd19's Cass(1/2)
1973-06-18 Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, New Jersey

Recorder 1: marbal's unknown gen
Recorder 2: Doinker's 1973 East Coast Reel has the best sound for this recorder but is very incomplete (only OBC/WYI, CWTAE and part of OoTD). vegetated's unverified Cass(1) runs up to Money which fades out, missing the 2nd part of the DSOTM Set and the encore OoTD.

1973-06-20 Merriweather Post Pavillion, Columbia, MD: Breaking Bottles in the Hall
1973-06-22 Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, NY: Cass(2) > CDR - Return Of The Yeeshkul (Rev1) This was cleaned up. It runs a bit slow.
1973-06-24 Blossom Music Center, Cuyahoga Falls, OH: In Blossom, no label (speed corrected and EQ'd)
1973-06-28 Sportatorium, Hollywood, FL: Cass(M) > DAT > CDR - Into Little Pieces (Wojtek)
1973-06-29 Tampa Stadium, Tampa, FL (Wally): 1st gen reels > CDR This source comes from John Tsalikes who didn't tape the show despite the claim. He purchased 1st gen reels from the taper.
1973-10-12 Olympiahalle, Munich, West Germany

Recorder 1: Cass(Master?) > DAT@16/48 Reeling In Pink Floyd Most complete (includes OoTD) and most natural sounding source.
Recorder 2: Munich 73

1973-10-13 Stadthalle, Vienna, Austria: Cass (unknown gen) > CDR or Highland's Lunatics On The Run which is very similar, small difference in sound but same content.
1973-11-04: Rainbow Theatre, London, England (early show)

Recorder 1 (Nigel B): Cass(M) > CDR(3) Has more time at the start of the show than recorder 2.
Recorder 2 (Steve B): Cass(2) > DAT(0)
Note that on some lists the 2 recorders are numbered differerently, the numbering above is how they've been traded, recorder 1 hasn't been available until recently and as far as I know has never been booted. Thanks to Shamil for sharing his unprocessed transfers.

1973-11-04: Rainbow Theatre, London, England (late show)

Recorder 1 (Derek A): Obscured at the Rainbow
Recorder 2 (Steve B): Reeling In Pink Floyd DVD 4 - Tape 13 or LPP's Finsbury Park 1973

b_squared
07-19-2011, 05:24 PM
1974-06-22 Parc Des Expositions, Colmar, France (Paul V.): good information about this recording here.
1974-06-24 Palais De Sports, Paris, France: Doinker's Tree-Top Master, Tooleman remaster
1974-11-04 Usher Hall, Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland (Sid): YGBC from 1st gen
1974-11-05 Usher Hall, Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland: marbal's unknown gen
1974-11-09 The Odeon, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England: Neonknight's unknown gen
1974-11-15 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England

Monitor mix: Strange One
Recorder 1: Black Holes in the Sky Rev. A (HRV CDR 022)
Recorder 2 (John Baxter): 4th gen
Recorder 3
Recorder 4
Recorder 5

1974-11-16 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England

Pre-FM: BBC Archives (HRV CDR 033), based on this BBC Master, with some patches from the Russian source (more details here)
Recorder 1
Recorder 2

1974-11-17
1974-11-19
1974-11-28 Empire Theatre, Liverpool, UK

Recorder 1 (only 1st set)
Recorder 2: marbal's tapes

1974-12-09 The Palace Theatre, Manchester, UK

Recorder 1: "fake" cass[1] > CDR(2or3) > EAC 0.94 > TLH 1.0.0.72 > FLAC, which is actually 138m, instead of the 140m version the info file claims. The real 1st gen, if it exists, is nowhere to be found
Recorder 2 (Brian H.): Kbrubaker unknown gen cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit

1974-12-13
1974-12-14 Colston Hal, Bristol, Somerset, England: T-308, which runs at the wrong speed and is missing a big chunk of ACYL. Other sources that aren't missing pieces are in mono. goldenband's remaster fixes some of these issues.

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07-21-2011, 08:32 PM
1975-04-08 Vancouver, British Columbia

Recorder 1 (Fred W): possible 2nd gen 24/96, 24/96 raw, 16/44.1, which is a great copy of the edit made by the taper. An inferior copy of the unedited tape is here. Read the threads for the sad story behind the edits.
Recorder 2: Sony TC-55 w/built in Mic > Superex 90XHO2 cass[Master]

1975-04-10 Seattle Center Coliseum, Seattle, WA (JEMS): Master Reels @ full track mono>Tandberg Model 11>Wavelab 96/24 1ch mono>wav 44.1/16 2ch mono>flac
1975-04-13 Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3: 1st gen or buffalofloyd's speed correction

1975-04-20 Activity Center, Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ: Beechwood's unknown gen
1975-04-21 Sports Arena, San Diego, CA

Recorder 1: Cass(1) > DAT(0) > CDR(0)
Recorder 2: (formerly believed to be a soundboard) Brain Damage / Eclipse can be found on Darkside II Desk Tape Read about goldenband's discovery here (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31290-Pink-Floyd-1977-02-01-Vienna-sbd-mix-(Revision)&p=200886#post200886)
The rest of this recorder circulates but is not available.

1975-04-26 Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA (Mike Millard)

Master (should be 1st gen) > DAT > CDR
The Reeling In Pink Floyd source is straight from a DAT@16/48 but has lower levels and a frequency cut at 16kHz (DAT@32 kHz in the chain?)
*********'s Cruel But Fair has been cleaned up and has two patches from other shows for continuity
This recording circulates as Master but all sources ultimately derive from Mike Millard's 1st gen, Millard only gave out (marked) copies of his Master Cassettes

1975-04-27 Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA

Recorder 1 (Ron C): Cass(M) > Reel > DAT(2) (Rev)
From higher gen, with more hiss and a bit less complete but with fuller sound is Kbrubaker's Cass (unkn gen), transferred by neonknight, speed adjusted and cleaned up by billy1: 24/96 and 16/44.1
Recorder 2 (Mr. S.A.): Reel(M) Doinker transfer This torrent includes 9 mins 45 secs of 8 mm footage of the show.

1975-06-09 Capitol Center, Landover, Maryland: low gen
1975-06-10 Capitol Center, Landover, Maryland: Kbrubaker Cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer/ Little Pieces Production (LPP) or its CD version
1975-06-12 The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA (unconfirmed, either 6/12 or 6/13, all circulating recordings with these two dates are from the same show but different recorders, except Echoes, of which all versions seem to come from rec 2

Recorder 1: Philadelphia Day 1
Recorder 2: unknown gen

1975-06-15 Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, NJ

Recorder 1 (Barry Glassberg): Shure mono>Sony 126>Master or Faster Jersey 1975 (LPP), which is slightly off in speed.
Recorder 2 (not available)

1975-06-16 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY

Recorder 1: 3d gen NB remaster
Recorder 2 (Dennis Anderson): MAC w/ Sony ECM-33Ps>Sony TC-152>DAT>CDR, DSotM has been lost.

1975-06-17 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (Jerry Moore): 2009 transfer from Cass(M) by Rob Berger in 2009 24/96 or 16/44.1
1975-06-18 Boston Garden, Boston, MA

Recorder 1 (Steve Hopkins): new JEMS transfer raw 96kHz/24bit or mastered 44.1kHz/16bit
Recorder 2 (Dan Lampinski): 24bit/96kHz or 16bit/44.1kHz
Quadraphonic Matrix: JFE's quad master 24-96 DVDA

1975-06-20 Three Rivers Stadium, Pittsburgh, PA (Sam Marshall): unknown gen or goldenband's speed-corrected version
1975-06-22 Milwaukee Stadium, Milwaukee, WI

Recorder 1: 3rd gen > CDR 2nd Set only
Recorder 2: unknown gen (master?) > DAT Reeling In Pink Floyd Incomplete 1st Set and beginning of 2nd Set

1975-06-24 Olympia Stadium, Detroit, MI

Recorder 1: low gen > CDR Reeling In Pink Floyd CD not as good as the circulating 8 Track(M) > DAT(c) > CDR (not on tracker), muffled sound, but has about 50 secs of recording more at the beginning (audience)
Detroit Diamonds - 1st gen > CDR (little pieces remaster)
Recorder 2: 1st gen (24/96) or a remaster in 16/44.1: Experimental Energy

1975-06-28 Ivor Wynne Stadium, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada (Henry Boc): ECM-99 stereo mics>Sony TC-124>TEAC RTR>DAT or the remasters ********* Steel Breeze Rev. A or Canadian Bacon
1975-07-05 Knebworth Park, Hertfordshire, England

Recorder 1 (lordsnooty): ITT Studio 73 Sony Microphones > BASF Chrome and Agfa Cassette Masters > HP DDS-1 Data Cartridge 4GB DAT Master > digital coaxial > Audigy 2 ZS Platinum > Soundforge 8.0 > 16 bit 48 wav > flac
Recorder 2 (Nigel B): Knebworth '75 Digital Floyd Project
Recorder 3: marbal's unknown gen tapes
Recorder 4: cass[M] > DAT Reeling In Pink Floyd speed corrected and tracked (16/48 and 16/44.1)

b_squared
07-21-2011, 08:33 PM
1977-01-23 Westfallenhalle, Dortmund, Germany Rec 1: Animals Tour Debut Rec 2: Wish The Animals Were Here (R&D) from LP Rec 3: claimed master or Bugger's Eyes (remaster) Composite: siege72's rec1+3
1977-01-24 Westfallenhalle, Dortmund, Germany: cass[M]>DAT>cdr 1977-01-27 Festhalle, Frankfurt, Germany Rec 1: Welcome to the Machine Vinyl R&D transfer or rhiqfan2006_Speed. MoLM's Heartbeat, Pigmeat is also an option Rec 2: A(0) > DAT Master Clone
1977-01-29 Deutschlandhalle, Berlin, Germany

Aud: 1st gen, and get the encore from Cass(1) > Mini Disc > CDR (Berlin 77, Windmill 028)
Sbd: unknown lineage (Berlin 77, Windmill 028)
Aud/Sbd mix: Desk Pig In Berlin

1977-01-30 Deutschlandhalle, Berlin, Germany Rec 1 (Rainer Z): Neonknight's transfer of Kbrubaker's unknown gen tapes 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit. This might be a 2nd gen, but we can't know for sure. Either way, it sounds much better than whatever was circulating before. Rec 2: Master/1st gen > DAT(?) > CDR - Reeling in PF CD source (Pigs (3 Different Ones), only known song from this recorder) 1977-02-01 Stadthalle, ViennaAud: Rec 1: Reel(M) > DAT(2) > CDRThe Reeling In Pink Floyd DAT source is in 16/48 and sounds the same, it is however less complete: Reel(M) > DAT(3)@48kHz Rec 2: not available Rec 3 (incorrectly labeled sbd): Composite of 2 sources 1977-02-03 Hallenstadion, Zürich Rec 1: Master SPC Rec 2: 1st gen Rec 3 (Pacco): 24/96 5.1 Matrix 1977-02-04 Hallenstadion, Zürich: Master/1st gen > DAT(?) > CDR Incomplete show with lots of cuts. Pigs is from Berlin, January 30, recorder 2 (only known song from this recorder) 1977-02-17 Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands Rec 1: not available Rec 2: Schaap En Zwijn There's a lossy sourced version around, this one's the lossless one. 1977-02-18 Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands Rec 1: cass[2] > DAT(0) > CDR(2), runs a bit slow. Rec 2: In De Weiden (FA0062) Remastered 1st gen with patch from recorder 1 (SOYCD pt 6-9). 1977-02-19 Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands Rec 1: Ahoy Day 3 Flawed source, low levels, distorted sound and gaps between tracks.A much better transfer of part of this recorder (very end of SOYCD pt 1-5 until Money) can be found on: neonknight's unknown gen Rec 2: First part of the show up to the very beginning of WTTM: neonknight's unknown gen 1977-02-20 Sportpaleis, Antwerpen, Belgium: Antwerpen 20.2.77 Source with many imperfections (muffled sound, extraneous noise during Sheep, a lot of cuts, dropouts, repeats) but best available. 1977-02-22 Pavillon de Paris, Paris, France Best source is FRP's Pavillion de Pigs (in shn) or Pavillion de Pigs (in flac), which is clean, has a full spectral, doesn't clip and is most complete. 1977-02-23 Pavillon de Paris, Paris, France: Pigeon Productions (same as the Paris 23.02.77 release by MoLM?). Sounds thin, hissy (high gen) and runs slow. 1977-02-24 Pavillon de Paris, Paris, France Rec 1: 1st gen in 16/48 (2nd source) incomplete tape with lots of cuts Rec 2: not available 1977-02-25 Pavillon de Paris, Paris, France (D.G.): Animals aux Abattoirs (HRV CDR 038) 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit, or the raw source, Finkployd49 1st gen Cassette/Neonknight transfer 1977-02-27 Olympiahalle, Munich, West GermanyLP's Munich Machine 1977-02-28 Olympiahalle, Munich, Germany Rec 1: not available (apart from Money in mono) Rec 2: Master > DAT > CDR. Sounds more natural and is more complete than MoLM's Pigs On The Run Rec 3: unknown gen Cass (kbrubaker/neonknight) tracked in 24/96 and tracked as three Cass sides in 16/44.1. The encore Money is from recorder 1, processed into mono
1977-03-15 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England

Rec 1 ("Knobs" LP source): Pink Floyd LP Archives Vol.7 - Knobs (omits the strange, looping recording of Us and Them from a different/unknown show)
Rec 2 (Lordsnooty): Pink Floyd - 1977.03.15 Master-DAT (Recorder 2) [48khz] (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30563-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-15-Master-DAT-(Recorder-2)-48khz-(DVD-2-Tape-2-amp-DVD-5-Tape22)), or PF19770315 Empire Pool, Wembley, London rec2 JFE remaster (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16028-PF19770315-Empire-Pool-Wembley-London-rec2-JFE-remaster)

1977-03-16 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England
PF19770316 Empire Pool, Wembley, London JFE remaster (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16055-PF19770316-Empire-Pool-Wembley-London-JFE-remaster), based on this source (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10131-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-16-Empire-Pool)
1977-03-17 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England
PF19770317 Empire Pool, Wembley, London JFE remaster (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16072-PF19770317-Empire-Pool-Wembley-London-JFE-remaster), based on this source (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10163-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-17-Wembley-17-3-77), but omits filler from 1977-03-18; no source on tracker has the legit end of the show, but it exists on tape
1977-03-18 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England

Rec 1 (believed to be Brian S.): Neonknight's transfer of Kbrubaker's unknown gen 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit
Rec 2: Pink Floyd - 1977-03-18 - Cassette (Low Gen)

1977-03-19 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England: Pink Floyd - 1977-03-19 - Wembley 19.3.77
1977-03-30 New Bingley Hall, Stafford, Staffordshire, England

Recorder 1: Pink Floyd - Stafford 30th March 1977 - Low gen c60 cassette (incomplete but best sound for this recorder)
Recorder 2 (Neil Corkendale): 1st gen or low gen raw cassette
Recorder 3 (Starboy): 1977-03-30 "Previously Uncirculated" Stafford New Bingley Hall

1977-03-31 New Bingley Hall, Stafford, Staffordshire, England: 4th gen

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07-21-2011, 08:35 PM
1977-04-22 Miami Baseball Stadium, Miami, FL Rec 1: Cass(1) > CDR Rec 2: Cass(1) > DAT(0) > CDR(?)
1977-04-24 Tampa Stadium, Tampa, FL Rec 1 (Wally): Cass(M) > DAT(0) > CDR(2) (Revision) An alternative is T's 2nd gen: T-1202 Rec 2: Master Tape wear starting with SOYCD pt 6-9, the encore Money runs at lightning speed and drops in volume.
1977-04-26 The Omni, Atlanta, GA Master (= 1st gen) > CDR (Revision) Circulated as master but should be 1st gen. See post of KingOfCats here (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?4689-Pink-Floyd-1977-04-26-Atlanta-SB-Flac&p=36065#post36065)
1977-04-28 Assembly Center, Louisiana State University, Baton Rouge, LA (taper: Freezer): 3rd gen > CDR It should be noted that according to Freezer there are no verified gens in circulation.
1977-04-30 Jeppeson Stadium, Houston, TX Cass(1) > DAT > CDR (Rev)
1977-05-01 Tarrant County Convention Center, Fort Worth, TX

Rec 1 (T.): Iron Pigs On Fire (T-700), which sounds better than the Rev. A
Rec 2: 1st gen

1977-05-06 Anaheim Stadium, Anaheim, CA
Rec 1: marbal's 1st gen, but patch in ~1:00 of interference in one channel during SOYCD 6-9 from jimshoes low-gen CDR or its remaster The Evil Tide
Rec 2 (California Stockyard LP): Reap The Harvest (MoLM) or Vol. 4 of this Pink Floyd LP Archives torrent. Also, the LP source is on California Stockyard but Sirene releases usually have NR

1977-05-07 Anaheim Stadium, Anaheim, CA: California Nights or the version on the Sirene California Stockyard
1977-05-09 Alameda Colisseum, Oakland, CA (Reinhart Holhwein): 24/96 or 16/44.1
1977-05-10 Alameda Colisseum, Oakland, CA Rec 1: PatGoD67's complete Recorder 1 from two sources Rec 2 (Animals set only): 1st gen
1977-06-15 Milwaukee Stadium, Milwaukee, WI: 1st gen 96kHz/24bit or 16/44.1
1977-06-19 Soldier Field, Chicago, IL Rec 1 (Jeff J): weedwacker's transfer of Charley C.'s 1st gen 24/96 or 16/44.1 Rec 2: MP3 sourced transfer from master circulated by the taper or a flawed low gen Composite of 2 sources
1977-06-25 Municipal Stadium, Cleveland, Ohio: unknown gen 24/96 or 16/44.1 is an improvement over Reeling in PF or tracked version which is however more complete
1977-06-27 Boston Garden, Boston, MA Rec 1: (Steve Hopkins): Reel Master>DAT(4)(48kHz) Rec 2: (Dan Lampinski): 24bit/96kHz or 16bit/44.1kHz Matrix: PRRPSAE009, but this is made with an inferior copy of Recorder 1
1977-06-29 Spectrum Theater, Philadelphia, PA: unknown gen 24/96 or 16bit/44.1kHz, but some parts of Who Refused to Play the Encore? sound slightly better
1977-07-01 Madison Square Gardens, New York Rec 1: This is identical to Where have you been?, the only available source for recorder 1, noise reduced. Rec 2 (Lostbrook): The Lostbrook Tape Series 42 Rec 3: Kbrubaker Unknown Gen Cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer
1977-07-02 Madison Square Gardens, New York Rec 1 (Louis Falanga): MOTB Release: 0177 24/96 or 16/44.1 Rec 2 (Lostbrook): The Lostbrook Tape Series 43
1977-07-03 Madison Square Gardens, New York Rec 1: cass[3]- cdr(4) Rec 2: PIGS MIGHT FLY ? [STTP 128/129] Rec 3: Neonknight's 24/96 or 16/44.1 Rec 4 (Lostbrook): The Lostbrook Tape Series 44
1977-07-04 Madison Square Gardens, New York Rec 1: 2nd gen > CDR (confusingly labeled as "Analogue Master Recording") and here 2nd gen > CDR as Sheep Independance Day Rec 2: MoLM's Hog Heaven Rec 3: Kbrubaker's Unknown Cassettes / Transfer: Neonknight / Revision: Bert13 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit
1977-07-06 Stade Du Parc Olympique, Montreal, Quebec, Canada Rec 1: Kbrubaker Cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer / Jimfisheye Speed Correction Rec 2: Reel[Master] > DAT(2), Jon Price transfer. There's also a transfer by Shannon H which is supposedly a bit better but not available Rec 3: unknown gen
Rec 4: nipote's unknown gen
Composite (Rec 2+1): Montreal Remastered

b_squared
07-21-2011, 08:36 PM
L.A. Sports Arena

1980-02-07

Recorder 1 (deadbman): Sennheiser MKH-404 Microphones > Sony TCD5 Recorder > Cassette > CD
Recorder 2
Recorder 3: unknown gen

1980-02-08
1980-02-09
1980-02-10
1980-02-11
1980-02-12
1980-02-13 (Ken G) Reel(1) > DAT 24/48 or the RMCH resmaster 24-bit or 16-bit. Be sure to read Ken G's post at page 3 of the original thread.

Nassau Coliseum, NY

1980-02-24

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3 (Tom W.): alleged 1st gen

1980-02-25

Recorder 1: cass[master]>DAT>CDR
Recorder 2: possible 1st gen
lostbrook: The Lostbrook Tape Series - Volume 8

1980-02-26
1980-02-27
1980-02-28

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3: low-gen Kbrubaker Cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer/ Little Pieces Production 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit

1980-02-28 (Barry Glassberg): FOB Master Cassettes 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit

Earl's Court Exhibition Hall, London, UK

1980-08-04

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: MoLM source

1980-08-05

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3: nipote's unknown gen

1980-08-06
1980-08-07

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: Kbrubaker Cassette/ Neonknight Tape Transfer 44.1kHz/16 bit or 96kHz/24 bit

1980-08-08
1980-08-09

Westfallenhalle, Dortmund, West Germany

1981-02-13
1981-02-14

Recorder 1: Tear Down the Wall
Recorder 2: unknown gen
Recorder 3: Dsto0's master 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit
Recorder 4: unknown ten

1981-02-15
1981-02-16
1981-02-17
1981-02-18
1981-02-19
1981-02-20

Earl's Court Exhibition Hall, London, UK

1981-06-13
1981-06-14

Recorder 1: unknown gen, nipote transfer 96kHz/24 bit or CD version
Recorder 2: cass[low]>CD recorder>cda[0]

1981-06-15

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: unknown gen>CD-R

1981-06-16
1981-06-17

b_squared
08-16-2011, 05:09 PM
1984-04-14 Zirkus Krone, Munich, West Germany

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: Nipote's unknown gen

1984-05-09 The Coliseum, Quebec City, Quebec, Canada

Soundcheck: nipote's unknown gen

1984-05-23 Beacon Theater, New York, NY

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: 1st gen (Nak 300 Mics>Sony D-6), Joebeacon's transfer

1984-06-19 Mesa Amphitheater, Mesa, AZ, USA

Recorder 1 (Pigmon): Master
Recorder 2: Low gen
Recorder 3: 1st or 2nd gen

1984-07-13 Jones Beach, Wantagh, NY (Lostbrook): The Lostbrook Tape Series - Volume 74
1984-07-16 Pier 84, New York, NY

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3 (Dave Malloy): MalloyMaster #6 (Aiwa CM-30 > Aiwa TP-S30)

b_squared
08-16-2011, 05:13 PM
1984-06-16: Johanneshovs Isstadion, Stockholm, Sweden

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: low gen

1984-06-16: Isstadion, Stockholm, Sweden

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: 1st gen or its remaster, Swedish Neurotica

1984-06-21: Earls Court Exhibition Hall, London, Middlesex, England

Recorder 1: 2nd gen

1984-06-22: Earls Court Exhibition Hall, London, Middlesex, England

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3: The Pros And Cons Of Live Touring HL
Recorder 4
Recorder 5: Nipote's unknown gen

1984-07-17: Hartford Civic Center, Hartford, Connecticut

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: nipote's unknown gen

1984-07-18: Hartford Civic Center, Hartford, Connecticut

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: unknown gen

1984-07-21: Brendyn Byrne Arena, NJ

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3
Recorder 4
Recorder 5: Charlie Miller's FOB schoeps > cassette Master > dat > cd (he is NOT the taper)
Recorder 6 (Ken G): Ken G 48kHz
Recorder 7 (Lostbrook): The Lostbrook Tape Series - Volume 30

1984-07-22: Brendyn Byrne Arena, NJ

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3
Recorder 4: nipote's unknown gen
Barry Glassberg: Master Audience FOB Recording

1984-07-26: Rosemont Horizon, Chicago, IL

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3
Recorder 4 (snsik): 1st gen
lordsnooty's soundboard

1985-03-27: Radio City Music Hall, New York City
1985-03-28: Radio City Music Hall, New York City: lordsnooty's soundboard
1985-04-03: The Coliseum, Oakland, CA

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: Unknown gen

1985-04-04: The Forum, Inglewood, CA

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3: Unknown gen

1985-04-11: The Omni, Atlanta, GA: Omnipotent PRS-CDR-011

ravingandrooling
11-10-2012, 12:19 AM
1975-04-08 Vancouver, British Columbia

Recorder 1: possible 2nd gen 24/96, 24/96 raw, 16/44.1
Recorder 2: Sony TC-55 w/built in Mic > Superex 90XHO2 cass[Master]

1975-04-10 Seattle Center Coliseum, Seattle, WA (JEMS): Master Reels @ full track mono>Tandberg Model 11>Wavelab 96/24 1ch mono>wav 44.1/16 2ch mono>flac
1975-04-13 Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3: 1st gen or buffalofloyd's speed correction

1975-04-20 Activity Center, Arizona State University, Tempe, USA
1975-04-21 Sports Arena, San Diego, CA
1975-04-26 Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA (Mike Millard): Cruel but Fair doesn't have the CD-R in the lineage that the common raw copies have. The Reeling source also is straight from DAT, but it's supposedly a 1st gen.
1975-04-27 Sports Arena, Los Angeles, CA

Recorder 1 (Ron C): cass(M)>reel>DAT(2)>FLAC
Recorder 2 (Mr. S.A.): Master > DAT > CDR > Vegas (PCM Stereo), with 8mm transfer

1975-06-09 Capitol Center, Landover, Maryland: low gen
1975-06-10 Capitol Center, Landover, Maryland: Kbrubaker Cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer/ Little Pieces Production (LPP) or its CD version
1975-06-17 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (Jerry Moore): Master 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit
1975-06-18 Boston Garden, Boston, MA

Recorder 1 (Steve Hopkins): new JEMS transfer raw 96kHz/24bit or mastered 44.1kHz/16bit
Recorder 2 (Dan Lampinski)
Quadraphonic Matrix: JFE's quad master 24-96 DVDA

1975-06-24 Olympia Stadium, Detroit, MI

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: 1st gen or its remaster, Experimental Energy

1975-07-05 Knebworth Park, Hertfordshire, England

Recorder 1 (lordsnooty): ITT Studio 73 Sony Microphones > BASF Chrome and Agfa Cassette Masters > HP DDS-1 Data Cartridge 4GB DAT Master > digital coaxial > Audigy 2 ZS Platinum > Soundforge 8.0 > 16 bit 48 wav > flac
Recorder 2
Recorder 3: marbal's unknown gen tapes
Recorder 4




Where's Ivor Wynn?;)

PatGoD67
11-10-2012, 10:51 AM
I've been wondering what the best source for Ivor Wynne is as well - anyone have any suggestions?

ravingandrooling
11-10-2012, 10:23 PM
Its in Canada.



Baa duum..........

I just read something about the city of Hamilton tearing down the old girl and building a new stadium. A shame, but probably inevitable.

PatGoD67
11-13-2012, 10:53 PM
Recorder 2 (Dan Lampinski): 24bit/96kHz or 16bit/44.1kHz

b_squared, think you've made a slight error...the recorder 2 link for the Boston '77 show takes me to the Boston '75 show. Anyone know the best torrent for the Lampinski source for the Boston '77 show?

Alan smithee
11-14-2012, 12:15 AM
1975-04-20 Activity Center, Arizona State University, Tempe, USA

The copy I have is unlistenable....Is there really a best source?

b_squared
11-14-2012, 05:56 PM
b_squared, think you've made a slight error...the recorder 2 link for the Boston '77 show takes me to the Boston '75 show. Anyone know the best torrent for the Lampinski source for the Boston '77 show?

Thanks for letting me know. I've fixed the links for both 75 and 77.

b_squared
11-14-2012, 05:57 PM
1975-04-20 Activity Center, Arizona State University, Tempe, USA

The copy I have is unlistenable....Is there really a best source?

Best available does not imply it's any good! :D

goldenband
11-14-2012, 06:38 PM
Thanks for your continued work on this! A couple of small suggestions:



1973-05-18 Earls Court Exhibition Hall, London, England

Recorder 1:
Recorder 2: incomplete low gen 24/96



I think lordsnooty's recent and much-appreciated upload of Rec. 1 probably takes the top spot. The upgrade over the source used for patches in "The White Bootleg" is subtle, but it's still there.


1973-11-04: Rainbow Theatre, London, England

Careful with this one, there were two shows (early and late). AFAIK we haven't yet found a better source than "Obscured at the Rainbow" for Rec. 1 of the late show.


1977-06-29 Spectrum Theater, Philadelphia, PA: Kbrubaker Unknown Gen Cassettes / Neonknight Tape Transfer 24bit/96kHz or 16bit/44.1kHz

This is the best source I've heard overall for the concert, but as I noted in the 16/44 thread, the sound quality of the "good" parts of Who Refused to Play the Encore? (aka Who Was Given A Seat In The Stands, IIRC) is better than the corresponding parts of Kbrubaker's tape, which is higher-gen and has flutter and speed issues.

Still, Kbrubaker's tape is waaaaay better than the "bad" parts, and it's quite difficult to find those parts of the concert in decent quality, so it's a huge asset to have it. But you ideally would want both sources, at least for now (maybe someone will edit them together?).

b_squared
11-14-2012, 07:33 PM
Thanks for your continued work on this! A couple of small suggestions:

You're very welcome, and thanks for all the input. I try to keep up with all the new posts, and I have limited time for listening, but I still try. We are so much better off today than in the 90's, when I used to browse pf-roio.de and just dream of what things sounded like. As it turned out, a lot of them did not sound very good. :)

PatGoD67
11-14-2012, 07:43 PM
We are so much better off today than in the 90's, when I used to browse pf-roio.de and just dream of what things sounded like. As it turned out, a lot of them did not sound very good. :)

http://chan.catiewayne.com/b/src/134241607114.jpg

goldenband
02-05-2013, 01:04 AM
Thanks to Google Cache, I've been able to retrieve most of the posts in this thread that were made right before the crash:

neonknight
1967-09-13
The Marbal tape uploaded by LP and I (16-44 and 24-96 version) improves on What Syd Wants.

neonknight
1970-07-18 Recorder 2
I saw that there is no lineage associated with this. It is likely to be reel > MD(0) > CDR(?) > FLAC.

goldenband
A couple additional suggestions:

1969-04-14 Recorder 3 (Stern's sound man) - there was a recent audio-only 24/96 torrent posted of this, wasn't there? Or am I totally imagining that?

1970-04-11 New York, NY - should be "Stony Brook, NY"; the best-sounding version I've heard is the Highland boot "Trademark Moo", but it's missing a little bit of audience banter present in other tapes

1970-04-22 Port Chester, NY - such a weird case, because the big release of this show was missing the end, which was supplied later from an inferior source; there was some mysteriousness about the whole affair, IIRC

1970-06-27 - There are three recorders, I believe. One is the circulating source (not sure what the best version is), one is the audio from the Mind Your Throats DVD, and one is an uncirculating stage recording in EX quality. A snippet of the latter has been posted to the boards.

1970-09-12 - best version circulating is probably Doinker's tape (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15199), as I recall

1970-11-11 - given the recent updates about the Hannover show, I've come to suspect this is actually 1970-11-28 Saarbrucken; either way, the date is a mess, but Blokhead did a great job (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=967) restoring AHM

1971-01-17 - Roundhouse show, missing date needs to be added; at the moment we only have ~6 min., but a full tape exists

1971-08-06 Hakone Aphrodite, Japan - is it confirmed that ASOS from this show is actually from 1971-08-07?

1971-09-23 Faulkner Theater, Copenhagen - wasn't this actually KB Hallen? Unfortunately a complete Rec. 2 hasn't been uploaded to the tracker, and Rec. 1 is controversial -- many people like "On Your Mark", I found it too bright/harsh and prefer a speed-corrected version of the Falkoner Teatret boot

1971-11-12 Philadelphia - my memory is that Higher Education is the best source I've heard for Rec. 1, and Philadelphia Experiment for Rec. 2, but one of those has an Echoes that's not actually from this date, and "who knows which is which" (why are Philadelphia shows always such a mess?)

1972-04-29 Philadelphia, 1973-03-24 Atlanta, 1977-03-01 Munich - might be worth noting that silent footage exists of all these, but no audio

1972-09-23 Winterland Auditorium, San Francisco, CA - only one source (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5620) of this has ever emerged, right?

1972-11-15 Böblingen Rec. 3 - I'd humbly suggest my speed correction of this (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10699), though it can no doubt be improved upon with a non-32k source (EDIT: and it's also not 100% complete, of course)

1972-11-29 Poitiers - worth noting the existence of the video source; is The Devils Inside (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5046) the best version?

1972-12-05 Vorst Nationaal, Brussels, Belgium - there are additional recorders/sources worth noting here, though they've been essentially obsoleted by the brilliant-sounding audience tape

1974-12-14 Colston Hall, Bristol, Somerset, England - this wonderful show is a mess to sort out, because the T source is going at the wrong speed and missing a big chunk of ACYL, and other sources that aren't missing pieces are in mono; I may address this shortly

1975-06-28 - date that needs to be added

Heh, I guess that was more than a couple. Thanks so much for all your work on this!

neonknight (referring to 1969-04-14)
That was one of my uploads. I don't know whether people rate it as being better than another older upload sourced from DVD by Bert13. I believe it to be.

PaTGoD67
The link for "1970-07-12 Soersfestival 3-Day Open Air Festival, Aachen Soerser Stadium, Aachen, Germany (Ulrich A.): The Theme from an Imaginary Western (R&D)" isn't working either - it sends me here (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19404)

neonknight
"1970-06-27 - There are three recorders, I believe. One is the circulating source (not sure what the best version is), one is the audio from the Mind Your Throats DVD, and one is an uncirculating stage recording in EX quality. A snippet of the latter has been posted to the boards."

It needs more of the sources to surface but I think the two latter recordings you mention are likely to be from the same recorder audio-wise, and were recorded by Jack Moore.

Lots of bogus lineages go round about the full length recording that everybody has. Rolf explained the story on the forum. Any talk of master clones is nonsense. If Rolf shared the copy he obtained on DAT, which is uncertain, my impression is that the best available could be Reel>reel>DAT clone. I have a 48kHz DAT that was described as "off master", which could be an example of this.

neonknight (regarding 1970-11-11 which is probably 1970-11-28)
I think we can be confident that Rolf was correct when he suggested the date was Saarbrucken. This is a poignant example of how is passing will have an enormous impact on future research. He had such a wonderful knack for knowing the story behind recordings.

PatGoD67
02-05-2013, 01:27 AM
Excellent work, goldenband! As another addition, Beechwoods's recent torrents of Marbal's Frankfurt tapes should definitely be added to ze list.

b_squared
02-05-2013, 01:55 AM
I was terrified all of this would have been lost in the crash. I'll go over these additions this week as time permits, and will back up the files locally, for the future. :)

Bert13
02-05-2013, 11:13 AM
Another one that got lost is Rotterdam 1970-11-07. Best sounding and most complete version is jimfisheye's remaster:

http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?18587

Beechwoods
02-05-2013, 02:01 PM
Excellent work, goldenband! As another addition, Beechwoods's recent torrents of Marbal's Frankfurt tapes should definitely be added to ze list.

Thank you PatGoD67, much appreciated.

PatGoD67
02-05-2013, 04:51 PM
Thank you PatGoD67, much appreciated.

The appreciation's all mine! Credit where credit's due (and by God, is it due!).

PatGoD67
02-05-2013, 09:37 PM
Also, I think it goes without saying that Grolsh's baked Pepperland reel is THE ONE to get - could you perhaps amend this, when you've got a chance b_squared?

b_squared
02-05-2013, 09:46 PM
Also, I think it goes without saying that Grolsh's baked Pepperland reel is THE ONE to get - could you perhaps amend this, when you've got a chance b_squared?

I'm pretty sure I had that update before the crash. Will add it soon, thanks for the reminder.

neonknight
02-05-2013, 10:36 PM
B_squared - If you would like to add the taper's names to a few more entries here are some off the top of my head:

9 May 1969 - Nick Ralph
26 June 1969 - Nick Ralph
8 August 1969 recorder 1 - Anders V
28 February 1970 - John Parkin
12 July 1970 - Ulrich A

These are all in the public domain (normally I wouldn't give details of a taper without obtaining their OK).

b_squared
02-05-2013, 11:19 PM
B_squared - If you would like to add the taper's names to a few more entries here are some off the top of my head:

9 May 1969 - Nick Ralph
26 June 1969 - Nick Ralph
8 August 1969 recorder 1 - Anders V
28 February 1970 - John Parkin
12 July 1970 - Ulrich A

These are all in the public domain (normally I wouldn't give details of a taper without obtaining their OK).

Thanks, I've updated the list with the names. It's nice to give credit where credit's due, as long as, as you've pointed out, the taper is okay letting it be known. :)

Bert13
02-10-2013, 03:07 PM
Another one that got lost is Rotterdam 1970-11-07. Best sounding and most complete version is jimfisheye's remaster:

http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?18587

This post got bumped to the third page, don't think you've seen it. Tried to PM you but no luck.

b_squared
02-11-2013, 09:29 PM
I think I've finally caught up with you guys... you're definitely keeping me busy! :)

neonknight
02-11-2013, 10:05 PM
I think I've finally caught up with you guys... you're definitely keeping me busy! :)

Thanks for all the work you do on this b_squared. I always feel inspired when I read through the pages to try and fill in more of the gaps recording / fact-wise. One you could add that jumped out to me from the top of the thread this evening is that John Baxter was the taper of 1969-06-22.

b_squared
02-11-2013, 10:16 PM
Thanks for all the work you do on this b_squared. I always feel inspired when I read through the pages to try and fill in more of the gaps recording / fact-wise. One you could add that jumped out to me from the top of the thread this evening is that John Baxter was the taper of 1969-06-22.

Also noted. As far as thanking me, I have nothing on you guys, finding these tapes, doing the transfers and releasing them to the community.

ammoj2
02-15-2013, 05:39 AM
Just noticed that the third link for 1977-06-29 Spectrum Theater, Philadelphia, PA links to the wrong torrent.

Thanks for the hard work!

neonknight
02-17-2013, 09:42 PM
b_squared - I have been checking out various copies of this date this evening and think you should consider revising the entry as A Heavenly Ride by Wojtek is currently probably the best copy (at least before a major EQ job). If you are not sure perhaps it could be listed as an alternative.

Beechwoods
02-17-2013, 10:03 PM
I think this is one where there's a vote for processed versus unprocessed. Wojtek's transfer is the best as a straight transfer, but R&D's release is very nicely done, and to my ears the best listen. R&D did some very good remasters in his time (not sure where he is now, or if he's still active).

neonknight
02-17-2013, 10:32 PM
I think this is one where there's a vote for processed versus unprocessed. Wojtek's transfer is the best as a straight transfer, but R&D's release is very nicely done, and to my ears the best listen. R&D did some very good remasters in his time (not sure where he is now, or if he's still active).

The relative speed of the various versions can also be confusing. DAT versions seem invariably to run slow, for example.

Beechwoods
02-17-2013, 10:42 PM
It comes down to the quality of the tape decks at the analogue stage. The problem with DAT is that it came in at a time when tape decks had peaked. Even Nakamichi were trading on their name by the early-mid 90's, decks were being sold on features not basic transport quality. Dolby S, HX-Pro, auto-calibration all mean very little when you just want to squeeze the last bit of fidelity from a non-dolby trade cassette from 15-20 years ago. People do not realise how necessary it is to keep your deck serviced either.

* Sermon Over * !!

b_squared
02-19-2013, 07:14 PM
b_squared - I have been checking out various copies of this date this evening and think you should consider revising the entry as A Heavenly Ride by Wojtek is currently probably the best copy (at least before a major EQ job). If you are not sure perhaps it could be listed as an alternative.


I think this is one where there's a vote for processed versus unprocessed. Wojtek's transfer is the best as a straight transfer, but R&D's release is very nicely done, and to my ears the best listen. R&D did some very good remasters in his time (not sure where he is now, or if he's still active).

Do we know for certain that Wojek's release is unprocessed? And what about the DAT transfer? Is it actually inferior, or does it sound like it because it runs slow?

neonknight
02-19-2013, 07:52 PM
Do we know for certain that Wojek's release is unprocessed? And what about the DAT transfer? Is it actually inferior, or does it sound like it because it runs slow?

In respect of your first point, no we don't for certain. It sounds close to a tape I have been working on and I think it is. I don't know about all the various DAT transfers but one I have, which was said to be 1st gen, and from a highly reliable source is definitely inferior. It's also worth bearing in mind that Grolsch once explained how the lineages for copies of this date tend to be a nonsense.

gotta_be_crazy
02-19-2013, 08:48 PM
I was thinking, maybe is it too much but, how about creating a page for each show having recordings available? I know it's a mega project but that way it would be very helpful to go for just the info one might need.

b_squared
02-19-2013, 11:32 PM
I was thinking, maybe is it too much but, how about creating a page for each show having recordings available? I know it's a mega project but that way it would be very helpful to go for just the info one might need.

Similar to how the Led Zeppelin tracker has a whole forum just to discuss the best source? I don't see as much value on this, as usually these discussions are carried out in the torrent posts themselves. Can you give me an example of more extensive information you'd find worthwhile?

artatore
02-20-2013, 05:33 PM
why did you guys stop adding shows to this thread?
I found it very useful.

also, what trackers would you suggest as best for PF and LZ shows?

thanks

Beechwoods
02-20-2013, 05:40 PM
All the updates are going in as amendments to the original posts at the start of the thread... :)

b_squared
02-20-2013, 05:42 PM
why did you guys stop adding shows to this thread?
I found it very useful.

also, what trackers would you suggest as best for PF and LZ shows?

thanks

Who said I stopped working on this? I made a bunch of edits just yesterday. Yeeshkul! is obviously the best tracker for PF stuff. For LZ, the center of the universe is at Royal Orleans (http://www.royal-orleans.com).

gotta_be_crazy
02-22-2013, 02:04 AM
Similar to how the Led Zeppelin tracker has a whole forum just to discuss the best source? I don't see as much value on this, as usually these discussions are carried out in the torrent posts themselves. Can you give me an example of more extensive information you'd find worthwhile?

What i meant is that, at least to me, it would be very useful to have a thread per show, otherwise i'd need searching thru the entire forum and I'd get lost on it, but maybe it is just me that I'm lazy. I know we also have the pf-db, the old orangemaze, but I'd find it more useful to build something like that in here.

Most of threads where new sources are shared have lots of rich information so it would be better, at least to me, to have a page per show, let's say. As I told before I know it's a mega thing to do but with time an patience and everyone's help it could be done. Just an idea. I mean, we have for a start what you're doing here which is great, so we could make it even better with everyone's knowledge and effort!

gotta_be_crazy
02-22-2013, 02:08 AM
Similar to how the Led Zeppelin tracker has a whole forum just to discuss the best source? I don't see as much value on this, as usually these discussions are carried out in the torrent posts themselves. Can you give me an example of more extensive information you'd find worthwhile?


What i meant is that, at least to me, it would be very useful to have a thread per show, otherwise i'd need searching thru the entire forum and I'd get lost on it, but maybe it is just me that I'm lazy. I know we also have the pf-db, the old orangemaze, but I'd find it more useful to build something like that in here.

Most of threads where new sources are shared have lots of rich information so it would be better, at least to me, to have a page per show, let's say. As I told before I know it's a mega thing to do but with time an patience and everyone's help it could be done. Just an idea. I mean, we have for a start what you're doing here which is great, so we could make it even better with everyone's knowledge and effort!

forget what I said. It's all there already in the first page. Thanks a lot for your work and effort b_squared! Sometimes my brain just doesn't work correctly :D

schmoe75
03-03-2013, 06:39 PM
5/8/88 Foxboro MA
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=441420

b_squared
03-04-2013, 07:49 PM
5/8/88 Foxboro MA
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=441420

I'm not tracking video recordings in this thread yet. And I haven't bothered with listing stuff after the mid-80's solo tours either. Someone else is welcome to pick up the slack, of course.

PatGoD67
03-04-2013, 09:42 PM
Any chance of updating 1974-12-14 to include goldenband's posting yesterday? Just listened to it, and thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it

Rmprog77
03-05-2013, 04:09 PM
I'm not tracking video recordings in this thread yet. And I haven't bothered with listing stuff after the mid-80's solo tours either. Someone else is welcome to pick up the slack, of course.

Probably Schmoe75 (video mod @ TTD) was just alerting us of this new transfer uploaded at Dime, and just mistakenly posted in the wrong forum. A mod here will probably move it to 'Pink Floyd related' general forum where it would be better placed.
That being said any members here gonna 'bring it on home' to download here? I did not grab it at Dime myself as I would be in the back of the line and its a 10.57 GB biggie,just curious.:shut:

goldenband
03-10-2013, 06:56 AM
Updated links for 1971-06-20:

CD quality - http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?17997-Pink-Floyd-Italy-1971-06-20-%2816bit-44kHz%29-**Uncirculated_ratpie_cassettes**

24/96 - http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?17996-Pink-Floyd-Italy-1971-06-20-%2824bit-96kHz%29-**Uncirculated_ratpie_cassettes**

BTW wasn't there a rumor about a soundboard source for this show? Or was that 1971-06-19?

@PatGoD67: Thanks! :D

hallucalation
03-10-2013, 11:19 AM
Please, correct this: 1967-10-10 should be 1967-09-10 and it was before Copenhagen show!

goldenband
03-10-2013, 08:39 PM
Two more small suggestions (one of which is rather embarrassing):

- Unfortunately I can't recommend ddyte's patched version of 1971-04-03, as it uses hard splices and doesn't match the speed between sources. I think we're still waiting for a definitive Frankenshow version of this.

- Thanks to Bert13's sharp ears, I've discovered that the source of my "T-308" repair job was actually a totally different fileset that someone had deliberately renamed as T-308!! I'll post more in the thread for my torrent, but basically it turns out that my source material was actually Heavy Fog in Bristol, which according to T comes from an earlier transfer of T's tape, and has decidedly less high end.

b_squared
03-11-2013, 05:07 PM
Two more small suggestions (one of which is rather embarrassing):

- Unfortunately I can't recommend ddyte's patched version of 1971-04-03, as it uses hard splices and doesn't match the speed between sources. I think we're still waiting for a definitive Frankenshow version of this.

- Thanks to Bert13's sharp ears, I've discovered that the source of my "T-308" repair job was actually a totally different fileset that someone had deliberately renamed as T-308!! I'll post more in the thread for my torrent, but basically it turns out that my source material was actually Heavy Fog in Bristol, which according to T comes from an earlier transfer of T's tape, and has decidedly less high end.

So is this fileset the wrong version of T-308? If so, do we have the correct one up in the tracker?

goldenband
03-11-2013, 06:51 PM
So is this fileset the wrong version of T-308?

No, it's the correct version. The "fake T-308"/mislabeled Heavy Fog in Bristol set was a torrent from back in 2006, and is probably long gone since I think the server was reformatted/restarted from scratch shortly afterwards.

pict05
03-11-2013, 08:32 PM
thread deleted 1971-10-16 Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica, CA (Al): Cosmos Topper (MQR-010) 1st gen (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29542)

b_squared
03-11-2013, 09:30 PM
thread deleted 1971-10-16 Civic Auditorium, Santa Monica, CA (Al): Cosmos Topper (MQR-010) 1st gen (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29542)

What happened to this? Can someone re-upload it?

pict05
03-11-2013, 09:41 PM
What happened to this? Can someone re-upload it?
here: http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30546-Reseed-PF-1971-10-16-Cosmos-Topper-MQR-010-1644

PatGoD67
03-11-2013, 09:56 PM
What happened to this? Can someone re-upload it?

I noticed this had gone, but assumed it was something to do with when the tracker went down.

However, I noticed that WRomanus and }{eywood are now banned, so was a tad tentative with re-uploading...cheers Pict05!

goldenband
03-12-2013, 05:41 AM
1972-03-09 Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan - the best source for the 1st set is Echoes from Osaka (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?21464-Pink-Floyd-1972-03-09-Echoes-From-Osaka&p=132435#post132435), but Neonknight's 4th gen tape (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?8051-Pink-Floyd-1972-03-09-Festival-Hall-Osaka-Japan) is better for the 2nd set; an alternate recorder on Missing Pieces (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15466) allegedly has A Saucerful of Secrets, and it doesn't match 1971-08-09 so it may be legit

1972-03-10 Taiikukan Hall, Kyoto, Japan - The Home Again (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?17097-PINK-FLOYD-HOME-AGAIN-1972-03-10-10-Taiikukan-Hall-Kyoto-Japan-TOP-PF-72010) boot is still the best source AFAIK, and may come from the original master (can't remember where I heard this, but it sure sounds clean, and many Japanese boots are very close to the tapers)

Bert13
03-12-2013, 10:12 PM
1972-03-10 Taiikukan Hall, Kyoto, Japan - The Home Again (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?17097-PINK-FLOYD-HOME-AGAIN-1972-03-10-10-Taiikukan-Hall-Kyoto-Japan-TOP-PF-72010) boot is still the best source AFAIK, and may come from the original master (can't remember where I heard this, but it sure sounds clean, and many Japanese boots are very close to the tapers)

The linked rip of the Home Again RoIO is not a good choice to put on the best sources list because it's a bad rip and suffers from pretty nasty index clicks at the track transitions. The few rips I downloaded from hokafloyd all had this problem, I downloaded it to check and unfortunately this one's bad as well. I don't know what extraction method he uses but it badly messes the track transitions up. There have been several rips of the Home Again RoIO torrented throughout the last 7 or 8 years or so which are good, this one looks like one of them but it has no seeders.

http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?6845

neonknight
03-12-2013, 10:18 PM
The master was a National 120 - has anyone uploaded the DAT 48kHz 97 minute 1st gen of this show?

Bert13
03-12-2013, 10:25 PM
The master was a National 120 - has anyone uploaded the DAT 48kHz 97 minute 1st gen of this show?

The only worthwhile version which I've ever seen torrented is the Home Again bootleg. No low gens of any kind.

goldenband
03-13-2013, 12:59 AM
The linked rip of the Home Again RoIO is not a good choice to put on the best sources list because it's a bad rip and suffers from pretty nasty index clicks at the track transitions. The few rips I downloaded from hokafloyd all had this problem, I downloaded it to check and unfortunately this one's bad as well. I don't know what extraction method he uses but it badly messes the track transitions up. There have been several rips of the Home Again RoIO torrented throughout the last 7 or 8 years or so which are good, this one looks like one of them but it has no seeders.

http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?6845

Thanks for picking up on that. I went looking for a seeded version in FLAC format, but without knowing firsthand whether it was a good rip, I should've used the thread you linked. As you can see, I'm quite fond of that show! :D

neonknight
03-16-2013, 11:16 PM
The only worthwhile version which I've ever seen torrented is the Home Again bootleg. No low gens of any kind.

All going well I'll upload it tomorrow. The sound is similar to Home Again.

goldenband
03-25-2013, 04:30 AM
Recorder 2 of 1972-03-13 is a tough one to call. Cold Side of the Bow (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?4451-1972-03-13-Rec2-Sapporo-Hokkaido-Japan-%28-quot-Cold-Side-of-the-Bow-quot-%29) is generally acknowledged to have the best SQ, but it's also had some kind of reverb added to the recording (listen to the very end of Eclipse and you can hear a reverb tail when the tape cuts, among other places). The 3rd gen of Rec. 2 (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?15288-Sapporo-1972-03-13-Rec2-3rd-Gen-source&highlight=sapporo) seems un-meddled with, but doesn't sound as good and runs fast.

(EDIT: ygbc's tape list has an entry for a LPP/Neonknight collaboration on 1972-03-13 Rec. 2. Has that been torrented here?)

As for Recorder 1, the transfer from the master in beeerlover's torrent (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?4922-1972-03-13-Sapporo&p=37234#post37234) is still the preferred source, right? However, all versions of Rec. 1 are incomplete, with a big chunk of Brain Damage edited out (quite neatly), and only two songs after DSOTM (OOTD and CWTAE).

Thus, ddyte's patchwork of Rec. 1 & 2 (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?15459-1972-03-13-Rec1-and-Rec2-patchwork-compilation-Sapporo-Moon) (which uses the Rec. 1 master, and CSOTB for Rec. 2) came out pretty well, as long as you grab the revised version (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15501) which restores the 2 additional missing bars in Brain Damage and adds AHM from that strange "Missing Pieces" release (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?15466-Pink-Floyd-1972-03-07-thru-13-Missing-Pieces-(Sigma-34)&highlight=sapporo). I personally would prefer a smoother crossfade between recorders, but it works, and the speed and equalization are well-matched.

Speaking of AHM, I assume it's legitimately from 1972-03-13, but I have no idea whether it's from Rec. 2 or an unknown Rec. 3. I suspect the latter, though, as the sound quality and mic placement/soundstage seem noticeably different from the other two recorders. (It's also been crushed with NR, but it's all we've got.)

Bert13
03-25-2013, 09:04 AM
(EDIT: ygbc's tape list has an entry for a LPP/Neonknight collaboration on 1972-03-13 Rec. 2. Has that been torrented here?)

Yes it has: http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?28591

PatGoD67
03-25-2013, 09:13 AM
Can I just chuck in a suggestion for 1972-12-09 Rec 2? Just finished listening to JFE's Remaster (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?15444-PF19721209-Hallenstadion-Zurich-Switzerland-JFE-2nd-source-remaster&p=95965#post95965), and it blows every other version I've ever heard out of the water.

Just my two cents. :cheers:

Bert13
03-25-2013, 09:31 AM
Can I just chuck in a suggestion for 1972-12-09 Rec 2? Just finished listening to JFE's Remaster (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?15444-PF19721209-Hallenstadion-Zurich-Switzerland-JFE-2nd-source-remaster&p=95965#post95965), and it blows every other version I've ever heard out of the water.

Just my two cents. :cheers:

I agree, probably the best representation of this show, it has correct speed and it's complete.

goldenband
03-25-2013, 06:47 PM
Yes it has: http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?28591

Thanks! Huh, I don't know how I missed that one (using a search on "Sapporo").

PatGoD67
03-25-2013, 07:29 PM
Would it be possible to amend the 1972-03-07 Tokyo Taiikukan, Tokyo, Japan listing, as it's come to light that there is more than one recorder for this particular show, as questioned in this thread (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30487-PF-Taiikukan-Hall-Tokyo-1972-03-07-Two-Recorders) by yours truly :D

b_squared
03-25-2013, 07:58 PM
Would it be possible to amend the 1972-03-07 Tokyo Taiikukan, Tokyo, Japan listing, as it's come to light that there is more than one recorder for this particular show, as questioned in this thread (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30487-PF-Taiikukan-Hall-Tokyo-1972-03-07-Two-Recorders) by yours truly :D

Better now? :)

PatGoD67
03-25-2013, 08:10 PM
Better now? :)

Thanks! Much appreciated - this thread is a real goldmine for many users here :worthy:

b_squared
03-25-2013, 08:23 PM
Thanks! Much appreciated - this thread is a real goldmine for many users here :worthy:

You're welcome. I started taking notes for myself, and realized that those would be best shared. I like the organization it provides.

Of course, it causes me to appreciate more the shows I have. I'm listening to Sapporo Moon Rev.A right now, and just have the biggest smile on my face at work right now!!! :-D #Darkside41

neonknight
03-26-2013, 08:34 PM
I have added some details to my post about the N Brothers in goldenband's thread that you may wish to reflect here: http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30536-What-recorders-(or-best-sources)-are-exclusive-to-commercial-boots&p=196281#post196281

PatGoD67
04-02-2013, 10:01 PM
1970-11-27 - the link for Rec 1 (T-136 Rev B) takes me to the gig on 1970-11-14...or am I missing something here?

neonknight
04-03-2013, 07:30 AM
1970-11-27 - the link for Rec 1 (T-136 Rev B) takes me to the gig on 1970-11-14...or am I missing something here?

For many years 1970-11-27 was mislabelled as 1970-11-14. I helped set the record straight when I uploaded the Hoka tape (best known for including 1971-02-24) in February 2012.

PatGoD67
04-03-2013, 10:12 AM
For many years 1970-11-27 was mislabelled as 1970-11-14. I helped set the record straight when I uploaded the Hoka tape (best known for including 1971-02-24) in February 2012.

Ah, OK. I just cross-referenced the Hoka tape with T-136 Rev B and see you're right - there can be no mistaking that bizarre rant from Roger when introducing GitC/CWTAE!

BK Phil
04-03-2013, 05:36 PM
First of all, a deep and sincere thanks to b_squared for creating - and maintaining - this thread!

And to everyone working so hard to find and preserve the material which it presents...

As a newcomer with a low ratio, all I have to offer is gratitude.

One quick observation - it looks like both of the threads linked for Birmingham 2017-02-11 are dead? Recordings withdrawn?

goldenband
04-04-2013, 03:41 AM
Here's the 16/44 version (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?27624-Pink-Floyd-Town-Hall-1970-02-11-(16bit-44kHz)-**Lord_Snooty_Low_Gen_Cassettes**); not sure where the 24/96 version is. It's a must-hear!

Bert13
04-04-2013, 08:02 AM
not sure where the 24/96 version is.

http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?27623

BK Phil
04-05-2013, 07:07 PM
Thanks, that Birmingham show is a real treat!

Another link change ... the "for more about this show" link for MSG 1973-03-17 seems to have moved to:

http://ygbc.orgfree.com/wow/THEMATIC_WOW_1973-03-17.htm

BK Phil
04-09-2013, 03:32 PM
Another broken link -

1972-05-21 Insel Grun, Germersheim, Germany
Recorder 1: JFE's 24-bit remaster of "Germersheim 1972" LP roio, patched with rec2

Points to thread 51733, should point to 7413?

Again, endless thanks to everyone involved!

goldenband
04-15-2013, 05:54 AM
Just a quick note, but 1980-02-24 Nassau Coliseum, NY Recorder 3 (Tom W.) is an alleged 1st gen (not master).

Also, regarding 1970-11-13, Bert13 did a fine job with the material he had to work with, but that concert's ripe for an upgrade -- my unknown-gen tape sounds significantly better than that source, with more high end and less bass. It still sounds mediocre, to be sure, but it's an easier listen and I may upload it at some point (if I can get past my current computer woes). I got it from Scott "donkyFliP" J. in the late 1990s, so his copy would be one generation better.

For 1971-11-16 Lisner Auditorium, you've got the Return of the Sons of Nothing CD on Gold Standard; the re-edited version of that called Something from Nothing; the Highland release (Process of Creation); the Oil Well releases which are likely to be clones of the Gold Standard; and the dehissed master. I don't envy the task of sorting through all the different versions and uploads, and I don't want to link to a torrent I haven't auditioned myself -- though my gut says that the Gold Standard disc or the SFN re-edit are probably the best options -- but I do think Grolsch's post about the origin of this show (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10668-PF-1971-11-16-Washington-The-Return-Of-The-Sons-Of-Nothing&p=69121#post69121) is interesting and important information.

Finally, I think Neonknight's recent upload of a 4th gen tape from 1968-12-28 (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30820-Pink-Floyd-1968-12-28-Utrecht-4th-gen-24-96) deserves to be added to that entry.

Oh, one more thing -- John Baxter was the taper of 1974-11-15 Rec. 2, for the record. Rec. 1 is the "Black Holes in the Sky" CD (GDR and later HRV), though I don't know what the best-sounding copy is. There are something like 5 different audience recorders for this show, plus the weird monitor mix (A Strange One) and the official release!

Beechwoods
04-15-2013, 07:10 AM
1972-09-22 Rec. 2 - The best sounding raw transfer circulating is this one, rather than the 'Firemans Tapes':
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?20249-PINK-FLOYD-1972-09-22-Hollywood-Bowl-upgrade

b_squared
04-15-2013, 05:48 PM
1972-09-22 Rec. 2 - The best sounding raw transfer circulating is this one, rather than the 'Firemans Tapes':
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?20249-PINK-FLOYD-1972-09-22-Hollywood-Bowl-upgrade

I must have missed that at the time. Somehow I had "Donald Carey" as the taper for this gig, and I see comments that the actual tapers are Harv and Craig... any idea where I might have gotten Carey's name from?

neonknight
05-05-2013, 01:22 PM
b_squared - I think it would be appropriate to add my recent upload as an option for your entry for 1971-04-03. See goldenband's comments verifying the quality at http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30949-Pink-Floyd-1971-04-03-Rotterdam-Recorder-1-Cass(3)-24-96&p=198658#post198658

Bert13
05-05-2013, 04:16 PM
A few additions:

1977-01-24 Dortmund
Best available source is Cass[M]>DAT>CDR (buffalofloyd edit)
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?4224

1977-01-27 Franfurt
Recorder 1:
MoLM's Heartbeat, Pigmeat can be found here:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16122
Another option is LP's revision of the rhiqfan transfer done in 2006:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30560
Recorder 2:
I have a Reel(M) > DAT(4) > CDR(?) which sounds pretty much identical apart from a big digital glitch 9 mins into SOYCD 6-9 which has been edited out, causing a cut, on the version on the tracker.
Another pretty much identical sounding transfer comes from KRW_CO with the lineage Reel(M) > DAT(clone) > CDR but this has some additional digital flaws (for example the transition between Discs).
By the way, why do you say it's incomplete? Doesn't look to be incomplete to me, all the music seems to be there. I guess you meant to say that Recorder 1 is incomplete.



1977-06-25 Municipal Stadium, Cleveland, Ohio: Reeling in PF or Bert13's tracked version

The unknown gen from kbrubaker, transferred by neonknight, sounds much better than the Reeling source, the only reason the Reeling source can be kept here is because it has a few minutes extra of non musical content.
The 24/96 torrented by me can be found here:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?28703
The 16/44.1 here:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?28706

More to come later. Have to say that I think it's a pitty some members in here who have extensive online trading lists don't seem to feel like contributing a bit more to this thread and to the tracker like others do. There are quite a few transfers of recordings which have been circulating for years but never torrented which would make this list much more interesting and would enable us to replace quite a few inferior sounding items, some of which have been rehashed, remastered, re-released and reseeded to death. For instance, some of the historical shows with the first DSOTM performances from early 1972 can still only be found in here on crappy sounding denoised and dehissed RoIO's.

neonknight
05-05-2013, 04:24 PM
There are quite a few transfers of recordings which have been circulating for years but never torrented which would make this list much more interesting and would enable us to replace quite a few inferior sounding items, some of which have been rehashed, remastered, re-released and reseeded to death.

I'd like to try and help if you would like to name a few. They will have to be from 1977 or earlier for there to be a reasonable chance of me having them.

Bert13
05-05-2013, 08:29 PM
I'd like to try and help if you would like to name a few. They will have to be from 1977 or earlier for there to be a reasonable chance of me having them.

1970-09-27 NYC
Only available as bonus to An Amateur Wouldn't Do This from an unknown source and as a no label release from years ago.
1970-11-13 Aarhus
Mentioned above by goldenband. Only available as unknown source and a severely de-hissed 4th gen.
1971-11-10 Quebec City
Only available processed from bootleg.
1972-01-21 Portsmouth
Same story.
1972-01-27 Newcastle
Same story.
1972-02-12 Sheffield
Same story.
1972-03-07 Tokyo
Same story.
1972-04-20 Pittsburgh
Same story.
1973-03-07 Chicago
Same story.
1973-03-08 Cincinnati
Same story.
1974-11-05 Edinburgh
Same story.
1974-11-09 Newcastle
Best version available is a flawed transfer from unknown (high) gen.
1974-11-28 Liverpool (also circulating as Nov 29)
Only available on some crappy no label releases.
1974-12-09 Manchester
We're still looking for that elusive genuine 1st gen for Recorder 1. All available versions come from unknown sources and have been badly mixed up.

I'll look into 1975 and 1977 later on.

neonknight
05-05-2013, 10:20 PM
That's a long list Bert. I have had a look through my collection and think I can help with all of them with the possible exception of Liverpool. It's a useful aide memoir. I'd like to work through the ones I have on cassette first because I find transferring things most interesting. Clearly, as you said, a number of other people on the forum could release their copies as well. Hopefully one or two will come forward.

It's weighing quite heavily on my mind that I have quite a lot of transfers in the pipeline already and need help with getting them released. My head is full to bursting with all the recordings I have on the go. Sometimes it feels like I could do with about five re-mastering experts on tap. It would be easy to just keep releasing things in their raw form but frustrating when they need speed correcting, etc. :D

Bert13
05-06-2013, 04:57 PM
1977-07-06 Stade Du Parc Olympique, Montreal, Quebec, Canada

Recorder 1
Recorder 2
Recorder 3: Kbrubaker's Unknown Cassettes / Transfer: Neonknight / Revision: Bert13 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit


The Recorder 3 linked here is 1977-07-04 Madison Square Garden, New York City, not Montreal.

For the Montreal show I come up with the following:

Recorder 1: Kbrubaker's unknown gen, transferred by neonknight, speed corrected by jimfisheye:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?29525
Recorder 2: Reel[Master] > DAT(2), Jon Price transfer (there's also a transfer by Shannon H which is supposedly a bit better but not available)
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?6429 and http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?9795
Recorder 3: unknown source and transfer:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?27467

********* released a remaster of recorder 2 titled Who Was Trained Not To Spit On The Fan which can be found here:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?4446
Hippopotamus torrented a nice sounding remaster (at least I think so) which is recorder 2 with some missing bits from recorder 1:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30327 (A minor complaint is that the tracks are not aligned on sector boundaries but in this case they can easily be fixed without leaving clicks between tracks.)

Bert13
05-06-2013, 08:41 PM
1977-07-04 Madison Square Gardens, New York City

Recorder 1: best available source is 2nd gen > CDR
It can be found, confusingly labeled as "Analogue Master Recording", here:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?2903
and as "Sheep Independance Day" here:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?13223 and here:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?537
A flawed 1st gen > CDR, which has been processed, making it sound inferior to the 2nd gen, runs slow and suffers from short left channel drop outs near every track index can be found here:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?6218

Recorder 2 (which is missing the encores): MoLM's Hog Heaven, can be found here:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?7972

Unfortunately none of these are being seeded at the moment.

PatGoD67
05-07-2013, 01:01 PM
For the Montreal show I come up with the following:

Recorder 1: Kbrubaker's unknown gen, transferred by neonknight, speed corrected by jimfisheye:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?29525
Recorder 2: Reel[Master] > DAT(2), Jon Price transfer (there's also a transfer by Shannon H which is supposedly a bit better but not available)
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?6429 and http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?9795
Recorder 3: unknown source and transfer:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?27467

********* released a remaster of recorder 2 titled Who Was Trained Not To Spit On The Fan which can be found here:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?4446
Hippopotamus torrented a nice sounding remaster (at least I think so) which is recorder 2 with some missing bits from recorder 1:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30327 (A minor complaint is that the tracks are not aligned on sector boundaries but in this case they can easily be fixed without leaving clicks between tracks.)

Personally, I'm a fan of the 6-Source Matrix "All is Forgiven", which is found here;
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?11662-Pink-Floyd-1977-07-06-Montreal-All-Is-Forgiven-6-Source-Stereo-Mix&p=73757#post73757

There's also a DTS version of the same matrix here;
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?11658-Pink-Floyd-1977-07-06-Montreal-All-Is-Forgiven-6-Source-DTS-Mix&p=73713#post73713

This is just personal preference, however. A lot of people on the respective posts have been divided over it.

BK Phil
05-07-2013, 04:30 PM
Unfortunately none of these are being seeded at the moment.

I've seeded "Analogue Master Recording", "Sheep Independance Day", and "MoLM's Hog Heaven", those are now live.

Many thanks to Bert13 and Neonknight for this effort to fill some gaps!

b_squared
05-07-2013, 04:39 PM
I've seeded "Analogue Master Recording", "Sheep Independance Day", and "MoLM's Hog Heaven", those are now live.

Many thanks to Bert13 and Neonknight for this effort to fill some gaps!

Oh, thank you so much for seeding the existing torrents instead of creating duplicate ones! I have to keep updating the list every time someone does that. :)

BK Phil
05-07-2013, 07:24 PM
1977-01-27 Frankfurt
Recorder 2:
I have a Reel(M) > DAT(4) > CDR(?) which sounds pretty much identical apart from a big digital glitch 9 mins into SOYCD 6-9 which has been edited out, causing a cut, on the version on the tracker.


Just to clarify - your version is clean and complete? Or it has the glitch edited out, ie has a gap? If the former, is it something you'd be in a position to share?

Hunting about for a clean and complete version, saw Doinker's sample (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?26181-Pink-Floyd-Frankfurt-1977-01-27-SAMPLE&p=162593#post162593), which looks promising, but it doesn't look like he got around to releasing a full transfer.

Bert13
05-07-2013, 07:38 PM
Just to clarify - your version is clean and complete? Or it has the glitch edited out, ie has a gap? If the former, is it something you'd be in a position to share?

Hunting about for a clean and complete version, saw Doinker's sample (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?26181-Pink-Floyd-Frankfurt-1977-01-27-SAMPLE&p=162593#post162593), which looks promising, but it doesn't look like he got around to releasing a full transfer.

It has a glitch whereas the one on the tracker has it edited out, no musical content missing. For the rest they're identical, all available sources come from the same transfer from DAT, give or take a few extra digital gens.

Bert13
05-07-2013, 10:20 PM
It has a glitch whereas the one on the tracker has it edited out, no musical content missing. For the rest they're identical, all available sources come from the same transfer from DAT, give or take a few extra digital gens.

I should have been more clear here, there IS a short musical fragment missing because of the glitch, but that has been edited out on the source on the tracker, causing a short cut or skip.

Azna Nistu
05-11-2013, 05:53 PM
1981-08-07 Earl's Court Exhibition Hall, London, UK

Recorder 1
Recorder 2: Kbrubaker Cassette/ Neonknight Tape Transfer 44.1kHz/16 bit or 96kHz/24 bit


Hi, first, to say that both links point to 1980-08-07, Earl's Court, instead of 1981-08-07.

Also, ¿why in this collection are there so few dates of the PF 80-81 Wall tour?

Cheers!

b_squared
05-14-2013, 04:30 PM
Hi, first, to say that both links point to 1980-08-07, Earl's Court, instead of 1981-08-07.

Also, ¿why in this collection are there so few dates of the PF 80-81 Wall tour?

Cheers!

Thanks, I'll fix that immediately. Also, there are so few dates because I frankly am not too interested on the Wall tour, since the performances are so similar. Therefore, I've been concentrating on the earlier tours. Contributions, such as yours, are very welcome. :)

Frankymole
05-17-2013, 03:49 AM
[list]
1975-06-10 Capitol Center, Landover, Maryland: Kbrubaker Cassette / Neonknight Tape Transfer/ Little Pieces Production (LPP) or its CD version
1975-06-17 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY (Jerry Moore): Master 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit

Are there any alternate sources for the 1975-06-15 and 1975-06-16 dates at Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, NJ?

"1975-06-15 - Faster Jersey, Roosevelt Stadium SpeedCorrected"
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?7057-1975-06-15-Faster-Jersey-Roosevelt-Stadium-SpeedCorrected was an original thread (though reseeded) and there was also the Little Pieces Production (LLP) of "Pandora's Slowing Down", a speed-corrected version of Pandora's Box.

Rmprog77
05-17-2013, 01:10 PM
Are there any alternate sources for the 1975-06-15 and 1975-06-16 dates at Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, NJ?

"1975-06-15 - Faster Jersey, Roosevelt Stadium SpeedCorrected"
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?7057-1975-06-15-Faster-Jersey-Roosevelt-Stadium-SpeedCorrected was an original thread (though reseeded) and there was also the Little Pieces Production (LLP) of "Pandora's Slowing Down", a speed-corrected version of Pandora's Box.

As far as 1975-06-15 there is a version - 'Jersey Not Mother' STTP 132/133 but where or who it's sourced from sorry no idea...........132313

BK Phil
05-17-2013, 03:20 PM
Are there any alternate sources for the 1975-06-15 and 1975-06-16 dates at Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, NJ?

"1975-06-15 - Faster Jersey, Roosevelt Stadium SpeedCorrected"
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?7057-1975-06-15-Faster-Jersey-Roosevelt-Stadium-SpeedCorrected was an original thread (though reseeded) and there was also the Little Pieces Production (LLP) of "Pandora's Slowing Down", a speed-corrected version of Pandora's Box.

1975-06-15 is indeed Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, but 1975-06-16 was played at Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale NY.

For the 15th, based on YGBC and roio.prv.pl, the uncorrected master (not currently on Yeeshkul) or LPP's SC (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?1850) (I will shortly seed) seem to be favored. ibba1's SC of LPP's SC which you link to (and which is live here (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30559)) is another option (in the comments, LPP himself suggests that his SC was over-corrected and needed revision).

For the 15th, YGBC also lists a second recorder, although not complete, with 62min and 23min versions listed. Neither seems to be in wider circulation.

BK Phil
05-17-2013, 03:55 PM
Are there any alternate sources for the 1975-06-15 and 1975-06-16 dates at Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, NJ?

"1975-06-15 - Faster Jersey, Roosevelt Stadium SpeedCorrected"
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?7057-1975-06-15-Faster-Jersey-Roosevelt-Stadium-SpeedCorrected was an original thread (though reseeded) and there was also the Little Pieces Production (LLP) of "Pandora's Slowing Down", a speed-corrected version of Pandora's Box.

For the 1975-06-16 show at Nassau Coliseum, roio.prv.pl likes the NB Remaster (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?7968); YGBC lists a master with the same lineage, but slightly different playing time (does not seem to be circulating) - perhaps the master that NB fixed ?

LPP's Pandora's Slowing Down (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30773) is a version of the bootleg Pandora's Box, patched with bits from two other boots, and SC'd. Haven't had a chance to compare and contrast - does anyone know if this has been rendered 'obsolete' by the Master?

There is a second recorder (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10060) for the show, similar high quality, however missing the Dark Side set.

BK Phil
05-17-2013, 06:54 PM
After some quick listening, I'm inclined to say these are sources that should be listed here:

1975-06-15 Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, NJ
Rec 1 - ibba1's SC (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30559) of LPP's Faster Jersey 1975 (to my ears, the slightly slower ibba1 version is more 'true')

1975-06-16 Nassau Coliseum, Uniondale, NY
Rec1 - NB Remaster (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?7968) (sounds much clearer and unprocessed than the 'commercial' bootlegs)
Rec2 - Uniondale [rec2] (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10060)

Shamil
05-17-2013, 09:28 PM
1970-11-13 Aarhus
Mentioned above by goldenband. Only available as unknown source and a severely de-hissed 4th gen.


I transferred this tape from a Dutch trader about 15 years ago, and my original is NOT severely de-hissed. If there is interest, I can dig it up..

Shamil
05-17-2013, 09:33 PM
1970-09-27 NYC
1974-12-09 Manchester
We're still looking for that elusive genuine 1st gen for Recorder 1. All available versions come from unknown sources and have been badly mixed up.


This was one of NB's tapes/xfers, no? I may have this. According to my notes, the CDRs are timed 54:28/57:48/27:56 for a 140:12 total. Is that the same as the "unknown source" or different?

Bert13
05-18-2013, 10:17 AM
I transferred this tape from a Dutch trader about 15 years ago, and my original is NOT severely de-hissed. If there is interest, I can dig it up..

I would certainly be interested. ;)


This was one of NB's tapes/xfers, no? I may have this. According to my notes, the CDRs are timed 54:28/57:48/27:56 for a 140:12 total. Is that the same as the "unknown source" or different?

Yes it was one of NB's transfers which he later re-did at 24/48. There's also a low gen HB source on which Eclipse cuts. The unknown source which I think originally came from siege72 has different timings.

Frankymole
05-20-2013, 03:20 AM
I would certainly be interested. ;)
So would I.

As to my earlier question: Thank you for the research, and for listening to the various 1975-06-15/16 versions, BK Phil.

Bert13
05-20-2013, 08:23 PM
1972-05-18 Deutschlandhalle, Berlin, Germany

Recorder 2: Master (not on tracker?)

It's right here:

http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?28661

Preclicktrack
05-21-2013, 05:13 PM
I transferred this tape from a Dutch trader about 15 years ago, and my original is NOT severely de-hissed. If there is interest, I can dig it up..

I would certainly be interested. A classmate at the school I went to in the mid-1970s claimed he knew someone who had a tape of this concert. I pestered him over a long period of time to have him make a copy for me, and even gave him a blank tape for this purpose. He eventually returned it to me without saying a word, and alas, it turned out it was still blank. We never talked about it again, but I guess his friend or brother or whoever it was had refused to copy it for me. I have no idea if this was the recording that is in common circulation.

littlepieces
05-21-2013, 05:34 PM
I transferred this tape from a Dutch trader about 15 years ago, and my original is NOT severely de-hissed. If there is interest, I can dig it up..

Yes, please do.

Frustratingly, I've checked many raw versions of this recording and the SQ always ends up sounding virtually identical to each other regardless of the lineage. It is as if all sources are from one person separated by no more than 1 generation. Most of the lineages are identified as 3rd or 4th gen.

Also, I noted on the ACR release, 'spectral appears like phase shift has been locked in with mix to mono'.
I'm not sure if this happened on the other sources, but it would explain why they sound as they do.:cheers:

neonknight
05-21-2013, 09:51 PM
I have been listening to some old tapes from a French trader who started collecting the band in the 1970s this evening. They sound really nice. There seems to be quite a few copies of this date around. Does anybody have a view on which one's best please?

littlepieces
05-22-2013, 12:10 AM
I have been listening to some old tapes from a French trader who started collecting the band in the 1970s this evening. They sound really nice. There seems to be quite a few copies of this date around. Does anybody have a view on which one's best please?

This is everything I've got listed. I recall there are significant variable speed problems on all torrented sources and the better raw sources have similar SQ. I wonder where the 1st gen tapes are that the Reeling DAT source was made from?

1stGEN > CDR(1) > flac VG+/VG 108:20 A prominent buzz, equip probs?,sp
Colmar Set 2 (}{eywood) VG/VG+ 53:32 A SpCr, NRa
Reeling DVD7 Tape32: 1st gen>DAT48khz VG+/VG 114:12 A 1 shn,+gain,-bass,2nd set sp.problems
Colmar (HRV) VG+/VG 62:11 A SpC Version
3rd Gen: PARC DES EXPOSITIONS (Cochon) VG+/VG 116:50 A
Colmar 1974 (Wojtek)(Eugene's Axe) VG/VG- 115:09 A SpC, still speed probs 2nd set

neonknight
05-22-2013, 09:30 PM
See this page for a classic Grolsch post about the lineage and history behind the recording: http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?17276-Pink-Floyd-1974-06-22-First-Gen&p=151943&highlight=bonne+nuit#post151943

The only version I have is the Reeling one and this sounds a bit dull compared to my tapes.

Bert13
05-31-2013, 02:52 PM
1970-03-14 Meistersinger Halle, Nuremburg, West Germany: Cassette(2)>DAT(2)>SHN (not yet seeded on tracker)
It's seeded here: http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?27281



1970-03-20 Lund, Sweden: Master or another clone. There are a number of remasters/speed-corrected versions in the tracker, such as Master of Lund or this one, but neither has been based on the 48khz master.
A speed corrected 4th gen in 24/96 with a clean Embryo can be found here:
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31046

Bert13
06-02-2013, 03:24 PM
Paris 1977-02-22
Best version is FRP's Pavillion de Pigs, which is clean, has a full spectral, doesn't clip and is most complete.
The Reeling in Pink Floyd low gen > DAT@48kHz has a frequency cut at 21kHz and sounds muffled.
The Dragged By The Stone RoIO suffers from clipping, whoever circulated this apparently decided to boost the audio and destroy it that way. These last two are both missing around 4 mins of crowd noise.

This is an excellent recording, one of the best of 1977, highly recommended.

1977.02.22 low gen-DAT [48khz] (DVD 2 - Tape 2) Reeling In Pink Floyd
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30553
Dragged Down By The Stone
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?19231
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?22374
Pavillion de Pigs, FRP
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?21039 (in shn)
http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10496 (in flac)

1977-02-23 Paris
Pigeon Productions (which looks to be the same as the Paris 23.02.77 release by MoLM). Sounds thin, hissy (high gen) and runs slow.
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?4766

1977-02-24 Paris
Didn't find this show anywhere on the tracker. There should be two recorders of which I have one.
Best version is a 1st gen transfer from 2005 (2nd source) in 16/48 (Cass(1) (TDK SA-90 + SA60) > TEAC W-860R > SBL > wav@16/48 > flac@16/48)
Edit: found it with a different search, it's seeded here: http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?8677
The tapes of this show are not in good condition, Sheep cuts in and misses the first half, Pigs is cut near the end and SOYCD pt 6-9 has several inner cuts. Wish You Were Here misses around 50 secs of the soundscape before the song and the beginning, this last part is present on source 1 (an earlier transfer). It runs fast.
The Pavillion de Paris RoIO has that extra 50 secs mentioned above but has been destroyed by noise reduction and runs fast as well.

Does anyone have the MoLM release of the February 23 show, a clean version of source 1 of recorder 1 and recorder 2 of the February 24 show to share?

neonknight
06-24-2013, 08:38 PM
Hi b_squared

Could you add my copies of recorder 3 to the list please? Thanks for maintaining this list - I find it really helpful :D

24/96 - http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31241-Pink-Floyd-1977-02-28-Munich-Recorder-3-unknown-gen-24-96
16/44 - http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31213-Pink-Floyd-1977-02-28-Munich-Recorder-3-unknown-gen-16-44

Bert13
07-05-2013, 11:54 PM
The best known sources for both Berlin 1977 shows could use an upgrade. For January 30 (rec 1) we only have the awful noise reduced Windmill source and Absolut Floyd (which is identical to that minus a few digital glitches) on the tracker. Anyone who wants to share the Cass(1) > Mini Disc > CDR source of that show?

goldenband
07-10-2013, 01:54 AM
The best known sources for both Berlin 1977 shows could use an upgrade. For January 30 (rec 1) we only have the awful noise reduced Windmill source

And it really is awful too! One of the worst/most heavy-handed NR jobs I've heard in a while.

b_squared, I discovered yesterday that the Brain Damage/Eclipse included as bonus tracks on Darkside II (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31263-Pink-Floyd-Darkside-II-Desk-Tape-1977-01-29-Berlin-Vienna) are 1975-04-21 Rec. 2, aka "the soundboard source" which I'm guessing was an open-air recording close to the stage and very possibly sanctioned by the band. They match the MP3 sample that Grolsch posted a couple years back (though the sample is shorter and in better quality).

There may be a better torrent forthcoming, but for now a link to that thread would be useful -- especially since the vinyl boot that was recently released (and which we still don't have) doesn't actually include BD/E, according to the cover art, so we're likely to use those tracks when putting together a Frankenshow in the future. :D

Frankymole
07-12-2013, 01:18 AM
1970-07-16 Paris Theatre, London, UK
Would the best version of this be HRV CDR 005 - 1970-07-16 - Mooed Music (rev A), Paris Theater, London England (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16554-HRV-CDR-005-Mooed-Music-(Rev-A)&highlight=HRVCDR005+-+1970-07-16+-+Mooed+Music+%28rev+A%29%2C+Paris+Theater%2C+Londo n+England)? It hasn't got a best source (or any source) listed against its entry at present.

Frankymole
07-13-2013, 12:43 PM
All the updates are going in as amendments to the original posts at the start of the thread... :)There are no shows / dates after 1985, though; so all the Momentary Lapse tours, Knebworth '90, and Division Bell tour are missing... (also Roger Waters solo stuff).

Bert13
07-13-2013, 01:33 PM
There are no shows / dates after 1985, though; so all the Momentary Lapse tours, Knebworth '90, and Division Bell tour are missing... (also Roger Waters solo stuff).

That's because b_squared and most or all of the people who've been contributing to this thread so far aren't interested in the post '81 tours. So I guess the people who care about these shows should step up and contribute. ;) Solo stuff has deliberately not been included in this thread, it would take too much time to sort out. Maybe in the future some enterprising soul would take that on but I wouldn't count on it.

Bert13
07-13-2013, 03:15 PM
Would the best version of this be HRV CDR 005 - 1970-07-16 - Mooed Music (rev A), Paris Theater, London England (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16554-HRV-CDR-005-Mooed-Music-(Rev-A)&highlight=HRVCDR005+-+1970-07-16+-+Mooed+Music+%28rev+A%29%2C+Paris+Theater%2C+Londo n+England)? It hasn't got a best source (or any source) listed against its entry at present.

No, the HRV is not the best source for the 70/7/16 BBC show. What's generally accepted as being the best sounding source, speed corrected and cleaned up, has been added to the list.

The 70/4/22 Port Chester show has also been added with some extra information. Unfortunately whoever circulated this decided to de-hiss it, which is really a shame as this is the only source available. There's still uncertainty about the patch source (which has not been de-hissed) as it sounds much worse and it's highly unlikely it's been sourced from the same recording as taped by Ken and Judy Lee. It's even possible it comes from a different show entirely. My notes say it was originally explained as it being from a different Cassette, the first tape being an Ampex 361 C-90, the second a Sony 60 which was discovered later, but this is very doubtbul because the time until the patch is 112:46 which is obviously way too much for one C-90 Cass. So the jury is still out on this.

goldenband
07-13-2013, 06:58 PM
The 70/4/22 Port Chester show has also been added with some extra information. Unfortunately whoever circulated this decided to de-hiss it, which is really a shame as this is the only source available. There's still uncertainty about the patch source (which has not been de-hissed) as it sounds much worse and it's highly unlikely it's been sourced from the same recording as taped by Ken and Judy Lee. It's even possible it comes from a different show entirely. My notes say it was originally explained as it being from a different Cassette, the first tape being an Ampex 361 C-90, the second a Sony 60 which was discovered later, but this is very doubtbul because the time until the patch is 112:46 which is obviously way too much for one C-90 Cass. So the jury is still out on this.

Wasn't there some weird drama associated with that? At least, I remember a veiled comment on someone's tape list that hinted something strange was going on. Of course, it could just be that someone sent them a rudely-worded inquiry and they responded indignantly, as has been known to happen between collectors and tapers...

goldenband
07-14-2013, 09:44 PM
There are actually two recorders of 1972-11-10 Copenhagen. As I understand it, the worse-sounding alternate recorder has the encore, which is missing from the better-sounding main recorder. I don't think there's a complete Rec. 2 on Y!, but here's a torrent (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?19633-1972-11-10-KB-Hallen-Copenhagen-(Rec-1-2)&highlight=copenhagen) that has STC from Rec. 2 at the end (as confirmed by Bert13).

goldenband
07-15-2013, 05:49 PM
Missing from 1975: 1975-06-12 at The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA. As is unfortunately typical for Philly shows, things are messy and for a while no one was 100% sure whether the 2 recorders we have are from the 12th or 13th. (Here's ygbc's page about it. (http://ygbc.orgfree.com/wow/THEMATIC_WOW_1975-06-12_13.htm)) But I think only one of those dates (1975-06-12) needs to be in play since DeepCreatures's post here (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10361-Pink-Floyd-1975-06-12-Philadelphia-75-day-1&p=67464#post67464) suggests that it's been more or less confirmed by a well-informed source.

Here's the Philadelphia Day 1 (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10361-Pink-Floyd-1975-06-12-Philadelphia-75-day-1&highlight=philadelphia) release, which seems to be the best we have for Rec. 1 (though it's unclear whether Echoes is from that recorder -- it certainly sounds worse than the rest of the show).

And here's the mislabeled Philadelphia Day 2 (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10814-Pink-Floyd-1975-06-13-Philadelphia-Vol-2&highlight=philadelphia), or Rec. 2 for 1975-06-12, which I'm downloading now. EDIT: And multiple tracks are riddled with horrible digital errors, unfortunately (CD rot static), so there's no good source of Rec. 2 on the tracker, it seems.

Bert13
07-17-2013, 04:09 PM
And here's the mislabeled Philadelphia Day 2 (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10814-Pink-Floyd-1975-06-13-Philadelphia-Vol-2&highlight=philadelphia), or Rec. 2 for 1975-06-12, which I'm downloading now. EDIT: And multiple tracks are riddled with horrible digital errors, unfortunately (CD rot static), so there's no good source of Rec. 2 on the tracker, it seems.

I have the same copy, it starts during On The Run and gets worse towards the end of the tape. Besides that there are digital skips at the track transitions from HAC to SOYCD 6-9 and Breathe to On The Run. I also hear tape bleed through at the end of the DSOTM Set. Still, it's not that bad sounding, the instruments can be heard pretty well underneath that blanket of artificial sounding hiss. lol

goldenband
07-17-2013, 06:11 PM
I have the same copy, it starts during On The Run and gets worse towards the end of the tape. Besides that there are digital skips at the track transitions from HAC to SOYCD 6-9 and Breathe to On The Run. I also hear tape bleed through at the end of the DSOTM Set. Still, it's not that bad sounding, the instruments can be heard pretty well underneath that blanket of artificial sounding hiss. lol

Heh, the "sedimentary rock" approach to listening. :D Analog issues are fine but I can't stand listening to a source with digital errors, it's like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. And massive C2 errors are the worst, since they usually signify that a CD is gone beyond all hope of recovery.

(Well, OK, digital pops/clicks/skips are bad too, and DAT noise ain't great either. Really, they're all the pits! :D)

Anyway, I agree that a clean source of 1975-06-12 Rec. 2 should be in the tolerable range, though it'd still probably be one of the worst recordings from 1975. (Maybe the worst? I can't think of another one that's worse, though Tempe 1975-04-20 was pretty mediocre.)

Bert13
07-17-2013, 07:18 PM
I agree, digital errors are the worst kind. I was referring to the actual hiss which does sound a bit artificial to me, probably because of the frequencies having been boosted and/or a crude attempt at noise reduction of some kind. I can also hear a swishing noise which comes probably from the tape or transfer itself but it's hard to make out which is which on this one. I do think the first set is actually quite tolerable to listen to, I did make it through until the glitches you refer to started during On The Run. The rest is indeed pretty much unlistenable.

neonknight
07-17-2013, 10:15 PM
For 1971-11-16 Lisner Auditorium, you've got the Return of the Sons of Nothing CD on Gold Standard; the re-edited version of that called Something from Nothing; the Highland release (Process of Creation); the Oil Well releases which are likely to be clones of the Gold Standard; and the dehissed master. I don't envy the task of sorting through all the different versions and uploads, and I don't want to link to a torrent I haven't auditioned myself -- though my gut says that the Gold Standard disc or the SFN re-edit are probably the best options -- but I do think Grolsch's post about the origin of this show (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10668-PF-1971-11-16-Washington-The-Return-Of-The-Sons-Of-Nothing&p=69121#post69121) is interesting and important information.


The Gold Standard discs seem to have been the best to me up to now. This evening I have started seeding a sample from some low gen tapes which will hopefully lead to some results that will move things forward for this date.

Frankymole
07-19-2013, 01:57 AM
That's because b_squared and most or all of the people who've been contributing to this thread so far aren't interested in the post '81 tours. So I guess the people who care about these shows should step up and contribute. ;) Solo stuff has deliberately not been included in this thread, it would take too much time to sort out. Maybe in the future some enterprising soul would take that on but I wouldn't count on it.

Except for the David Gilmour Live 1984 stuff in Post #14, and Roger Waters The Pros and Cons of Hitch Hiking 1984-85 stuff in Post #15! :)

Bert13
07-19-2013, 03:10 AM
Ah yes, it escaped my attention. Well, feel free to post links of sources you think should be included in this thread and they will be added.

neonknight
07-20-2013, 09:45 PM
The best known sources for both Berlin 1977 shows could use an upgrade. For January 30 (rec 1) we only have the awful noise reduced Windmill source and Absolut Floyd (which is identical to that minus a few digital glitches) on the tracker. Anyone who wants to share the Cass(1) > Mini Disc > CDR source of that show?

I'm finding that posts like this one are getting more difficult to find as I look through this thread looking for ways in which I can help out. Would it be worth having a fresh additional sticky thread containing a list of versions of recordings that we would like to see here on Y? I'm not suggesting naming and shaming the collectors who haven't made them generally available but it would demonstrate to those people who have them how they can help out.

Bert13
07-21-2013, 03:37 PM
I don't think it will be of much use, Ian, there are not many who are willing to contribute or share upgrades to what's on the tracker here. It's a pitty because there are so many inferior sources circulating but I also realize that it may come across as if there's entitlement for upgrades people put a lot of time and effort to obtain or trade for and that's something I want to avoid. We have to make do. I do appreciate your help very much, my friend, I've been able to ditch a lot of inferior sources because of the wonderful transfers you and Beechwoods have been sharing here, not forgetting contributors like little pieces, jimfisheye, kbrubaker, lordsnooty, nipote, goldenband, MOB, ******* and others ofcourse. :cheers:

Bert13
07-21-2013, 03:41 PM
By the way, you may have noticed b_squared has been pretty busy updating the list recently. ;)

goldenband
07-21-2013, 07:17 PM
Oh, I don't know -- I think a pinned thread containing a list of shows most in need of TLC, i.e. some combination of upgraded sources and/or further research, would potentialy be very useful. I've thought about starting one myself. Some dates that come to mind off the top of my head, plus a few grabbed from Bert13's list:

1970-04-11 Stony Brook (there's a good-sounding boot and inferior-sounding tapes, but the former misses some chatter that's in the latter)
1970-11-13 Aarhus
1971-10-27, 1971-10-28, 1971-10-31 - all three of these shows are in dire need of TLC and/or upgraded sources
1971-11-05 Hunter College - Closes Meet definitely isn't definitive for Rec. 1, how's the 2nd gen source compare?
1971-11-12 Philadelphia (the best-quality release for each of the two recorders isn't bad, but WTH is going on with the two different Echoes performances?)
1972-01-27 Newcastle
1973-03-07 Chicago (though I was pleasantly surprised by the Highland copy of the Hip Cat boot)
1973-03-08 Cincinnati
1974-11-05 Edinburgh (it'd be great to find the complete tape from the 4th; I have an idea of where that might be)
1975-04-13 San Francisco (more Echoes weirdness)
1975-06-12 Philadelphia, especially Rec. 2

And then there are the "missing" alternate recorders like 1971-09-23 Rec. 2, 1972-11-10 Rec. 2....huh, the Copenhagen shows seem to have a theme of having alternate recorders that are used to complete a show, but are tough to find on their own. :D 1972-10-21 is another one where I think there are at least three recorders but we only have one onsite.

Do we need the 1973-11-04 early show, or is it just not indexed? I have a 3rd gen cassette, which is actually the one used for "Revealed at the Rainbow" (with NR). I got it from Andre T., so his tape should be one gen lower than mine; I don't remember whether his cassette was dubbed from DAT or analog.

PatGoD67
07-21-2013, 09:02 PM
1974-11-05 Edinburgh (it'd be great to find the complete tape from the 4th; I have an idea of where that might be)


Sounds promising!

neonknight
07-21-2013, 09:31 PM
1970-04-11 Stony Brook (there's a good-sounding boot and inferior-sounding tapes, but the former misses some chatter that's in the latter)

Thanks goldenband. I'm going to have a look at a couple of options for this date to begin with. One is an unknown gen DAT from Beechwoods (Nick if you are reading this do you recall if it's any good?) and the other is a 4th gen tape. Always a pleasure to listen to something from 1970.

neonknight
07-21-2013, 09:37 PM
I don't think it will be of much use, Ian, there are not many who are willing to contribute or share upgrades to what's on the tracker here.

There are a few people I know who I think would be positive - I often think we just need to make it obvious what's missing.

neonknight
07-21-2013, 09:38 PM
By the way, you may have noticed b_squared has been pretty busy updating the list recently. ;)

Thanks for the prompt to re-read it. Is a copy of the list being stored somewhere other than Y as well? It would be a disaster if all the work on it were lost through a crash.

Beechwoods
07-21-2013, 10:57 PM
Thanks goldenband. I'm going to have a look at a couple of options for this date to begin with. One is an unknown gen DAT from Beechwoods (Nick if you are reading this do you recall if it's any good?) and the other is a 4th gen tape. Always a pleasure to listen to something from 1970.

I'd have to dig out the original DAT as I don't seem to have done a copy to my computer at any point. Did I do you a copy at all?

littlepieces
07-21-2013, 11:20 PM
I'd have to dig out the original DAT as I don't seem to have done a copy to my computer at any point. Did I do you a copy at all?

I saw a 'cas(3)>DAT(2)' on a trade list but the trader had it rated as VG and 'Trademark Moo' as VG+ so I figured it was just another higher gen version than 'Trademark Moo'. :(

neonknight
07-22-2013, 06:53 AM
I'd have to dig out the original DAT as I don't seem to have done a copy to my computer at any point. Did I do you a copy at all?

It seems like one that slipped through both of our nets. It's not on any of my external hard drives. I have pulled out the tape and it was the second ever DAT you did for me. I also located the 4th gen cassette. I rejected that one back in 2009 but was playing things on the Nak 581 / Revox B710 back then, so there's hope that the Technics will get more from it.

neonknight
07-22-2013, 07:41 PM
The tape I mentioned is no good - clearly higher generation than the Highland version and less complete at the beginning - so it's all down to the DAT :D

neonknight
07-22-2013, 09:50 PM
Excuse my monologue but the DAT is very nice and I think people are going to find it to be a worthy upload. It's more complete and less worn sounding but more hissy. Would you like to take it from here Nick? The copy I have is in 44.1kHz - unusual for a DAT. My recollection is that you received it as Cass(low) to DAT(0). I have no idea who your source was.

littlepieces
07-22-2013, 10:12 PM
Excuse my monologue but the DAT is very nice and I think people are going to find it to be a worthy upload. It's more complete and less worn sounding but more hissy. Would you like to take it from here Nick? The copy I have is in 44.1kHz - unusual for a DAT. My recollection is that you received it as Cass(low) to DAT(0). I have no idea who your source was.

DAT(0), Hmmmmmmm? :);)

Beechwoods
07-23-2013, 07:56 AM
Excuse my monologue but the DAT is very nice and I think people are going to find it to be a worthy upload. It's more complete and less worn sounding but more hissy. Would you like to take it from here Nick? The copy I have is in 44.1kHz - unusual for a DAT. My recollection is that you received it as Cass(low) to DAT(0). I have no idea who your source was.

I'll have to have a dig around for the tape, I think my DATs are in storage, but not difficult to get to. I can't visualise the tape itself but it will no doubt dawn on me when I get it out. You have my SCSI DAT Drive though! Might be best best for me to root out my copy and send it on to you?

Shamil
07-23-2013, 08:14 AM
You have my SCSI DAT Drive though!

I almost couldn't believe that I saw somebody with another SCSI->DAT setup, but then I remember that I believe it was a posting of yours on another forum that provided the main guideposts in the process for me! I suppose I should thank you for that, it has been most useful to me...

If you use a Windows setup, have you ever used a Japanese program called WaveDAT? I would call it almost analogous to EAC for DAT transfers.

Beechwoods
07-23-2013, 10:30 AM
I used to use DAT2WAV which I thought was like EAC for Dat but now I use DATxTract for Mac OSX which is similar. Both are great. Glad you liked my guide to setup. Getting the drive firmware flashed is the hardest bit. It's a long time since I did that :)

neonknight
07-23-2013, 09:28 PM
For anybody interested, Nick and I have agreed that it would be easiest for me to do the transfer, which I have completed this evening. It's now just a matter of preparing the text file, etc. It times in at around 84.26 - longer than the current circulating version. This includes me removing the Ummagumma section of ASOS that is seemingly present on all tapes.

Bert13
07-27-2013, 03:47 PM
Do we need the 1973-11-04 early show, or is it just not indexed? I have a 3rd gen cassette, which is actually the one used for "Revealed at the Rainbow" (with NR). I got it from Andre T., so his tape should be one gen lower than mine; I don't remember whether his cassette was dubbed from DAT or analog.

Yes, the only available source for recorder 1 on the tracker is Digital Floyd Project's Revealed at the Rainbow, it has low levels and sounds muffled because of the NR. Another of those crappy noise reduced sources which has been doing the rounds for years. An unprocessed transfer would be very welcome.

goldenband
07-27-2013, 05:25 PM
Yes, the only available source for recorder 1 on the tracker is Digital Floyd Project's Revealed at the Rainbow, it has low levels and sounds muffled because of the NR. Another of those crappy noise reduced sources which has been doing the rounds for years. An unprocessed transfer would be very welcome.

Well, keep in mind that it was low-level and muffled before the NR. :D But sure, I'd be happy to put it in the queue. Or maybe I should just send Neonknight some of my cassettes, assuming he's not already swamped as it is (and that'd be an incorrect assumption I'm sure!).

neonknight
07-27-2013, 06:44 PM
Well, keep in mind that it was low-level and muffled before the NR. :D But sure, I'd be happy to put it in the queue. Or maybe I should just send Neonknight some of my cassettes, assuming he's not already swamped as it is (and that'd be an incorrect assumption I'm sure!).

Doing more transfers is always something I would happily take on. My queueing problem is where I make the transfer and the owner would like to see their recording restored or it is obviously too slow or fast. I have quite a lot in the bank like that. If I can either just upload the raw version to Y for somebody to work on at a later date or send the files back to you to tweak, it could be a relatively quick and easy job. What cassettes do you have that could turn out to be good ones? I'm thinking pre-1980 if that's OK ;)

goldenband
07-28-2013, 05:37 AM
Doing more transfers is always something I would happily take on. My queueing problem is where I make the transfer and the owner would like to see their recording restored or it is obviously too slow or fast. I have quite a lot in the bank like that. If I can either just upload the raw version to Y for somebody to work on at a later date or send the files back to you to tweak, it could be a relatively quick and easy job. What cassettes do you have that could turn out to be good ones? I'm thinking pre-1980 if that's OK ;)

Definitely OK! :D I don't have much that's of significance, just 1970-11-13 unknown gen, 1973-03-11 3rd gen (which runs a bit slow), and 1973-11-04 early show 3rd gen. Maybe Toledo 1971-10-31 4th gen, if we can't find anything better. Otherwise everything I have has been uploaded to Y!, like 1969-08-08 Rec. 2 without the ringing on IO and 1971-06-04 Rec. 2, or is either obsolete or post-1977.

neonknight
07-28-2013, 12:01 PM
Definitely OK! :D I don't have much that's of significance, just 1970-11-13 unknown gen, 1973-03-11 3rd gen (which runs a bit slow), and 1973-11-04 early show 3rd gen. Maybe Toledo 1971-10-31 4th gen, if we can't find anything better. Otherwise everything I have has been uploaded to Y!, like 1969-08-08 Rec. 2 without the ringing on IO and 1971-06-04 Rec. 2, or is either obsolete or post-1977.

The first four could be good. However, I feel uncertain about whether it would be worthwhile going to the trouble sending them in the post as none of them are really jumping out as likely upgrades (I am considering things that I need to investigate from my own collection as I write this). Perhaps some five minute samples from the beginning of each tape would be a good idea? If you agree you could post them up to wetransfer, or something similar, and put the link in this thread so those of us who are interested can comment.

Shamil
07-29-2013, 06:50 AM
Definitely OK! :D I don't have much that's of significance, just 1970-11-13 unknown gen, 1973-03-11 3rd gen (which runs a bit slow), and 1973-11-04 early show 3rd gen. Maybe Toledo 1971-10-31 4th gen, if we can't find anything better. Otherwise everything I have has been uploaded to Y!, like 1969-08-08 Rec. 2 without the ringing on IO and 1971-06-04 Rec. 2, or is either obsolete or post-1977.

FYI, Andre's 1973-11-04 ana2 tape itself was xfer'd to DAT by my friend Travis. I have a copy of that somewhere, possibly even on my drive already. I'm not sure how a 16/48 DAT xfer would stack up against your ana3 @ 24/96 xfer'd a proper system (Ian has produced some genuine miracles on his system with higher gen tapes compared to lower gen low-fi xfers, so that wasn't just a facetious comment), but I do know that Travis used a great Harman Kardon tape deck in those days to a DA20mkII. Let me do some looking, I can upload that if there's interest.
Also, I have a copy of AT's ana4 1970-11-13 that Andre transferred to a CDR for me ages ago. My copy circulates, sort of: apparently somebody applied some atrocious NR to it at some point, but my original from AT is fine. I'm curious how it would compare to your tape, I don't think I've run across another known/low gen copy of Aarhus, has anybody?

My Vista/OS drive recently took a dive (NOT any of my data drives, I learned a long time ago to store data and applications separate from OS drives), but I can probably work up some kind of system on my laptop for audio editing and uploading again. I still have that Detroit'72 project we discussed a couple months ago, I think I'll proceed with it even despite that bizarre audio anomaly we noticed.

Is there anything else I've said I would put up? Between my recent stay at the hospital last month and an OS crash this month, any such promises I've made unfortunately fell off my mental radar.. a kind reminder would be appreciated! :)

goldenband
07-29-2013, 04:35 PM
FYI, Andre's 1973-11-04 ana2 tape itself was xfer'd to DAT by my friend Travis. I have a copy of that somewhere, possibly even on my drive already. I'm not sure how a 16/48 DAT xfer would stack up against your ana3 @ 24/96 xfer'd a proper system (Ian has produced some genuine miracles on his system with higher gen tapes compared to lower gen low-fi xfers, so that wasn't just a facetious comment), but I do know that Travis used a great Harman Kardon tape deck in those days to a DA20mkII. Let me do some looking, I can upload that if there's interest.

Interested...interested...VERY interested! (With apologies to Kevin Nealon.)


Also, I have a copy of AT's ana4 1970-11-13 that Andre transferred to a CDR for me ages ago. My copy circulates, sort of: apparently somebody applied some atrocious NR to it at some point, but my original from AT is fine. I'm curious how it would compare to your tape, I don't think I've run across another known/low gen copy of Aarhus, has anybody?

That too would be great to hear. I suspect your copy is probably better than mine.


I still have that Detroit'72 project we discussed a couple months ago, I think I'll proceed with it even despite that bizarre audio anomaly we noticed.

At the risk of repeating myself, yes, absolutely! I think that's actually the most important of the three, since basically everything that circulates with the complete show is either War in the Head or total garbage.


Is there anything else I've said I would put up? Between my recent stay at the hospital last month and an OS crash this month, any such promises I've made unfortunately fell off my mental radar.. a kind reminder would be appreciated! :)

I can't think of anything. Really sorry to hear about your hospital stay, I hope that's all behind you!

neonknight
08-03-2013, 09:53 AM
I think this one by Bert13 should feature in the options for this date:

http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?5750-PF-1970-11-06-Mind-Your-Throats-Adam-SPC&highlight=

neonknight
08-03-2013, 10:06 AM
FYI, Andre's 1973-11-04 ana2 tape itself was xfer'd to DAT by my friend Travis. I have a copy of that somewhere, possibly even on my drive already. I'm not sure how a 16/48 DAT xfer would stack up against your ana3 @ 24/96 xfer'd a proper system (Ian has produced some genuine miracles on his system with higher gen tapes compared to lower gen low-fi xfers, so that wasn't just a facetious comment), but I do know that Travis used a great Harman Kardon tape deck in those days to a DA20mkII. Let me do some looking, I can upload that if there's interest.


Shamil - I own the DAT that your copy was sourced from and it's 16/44.

Goldenband - if you would like to do a sample of your tape we could compare and decide which one is best for upload. :D

Bert13
08-04-2013, 02:14 AM
Amsterdam 1970-11-06, Plumpton 1969-08-08 and Amsterdam 1969-08-09 have been updated. As for Plumpton 1969, rec 1 cuts off close to the end of The Narrow Way (you can hear the taper having problems with his recorder) and the few secs of The Pink Jungle which are present on the Shure SM57 > Philips Recorder > Cass(M) (BASF C90) > DAT(2) > CDR(1) source are actually from rec 2. Best way to enjoy the full show is oneofmypages's composite.

Shamil
08-04-2013, 11:02 AM
Shamil - I own the DAT that your copy was sourced from and it's 16/44.

Actually he made a separate DAT(0) re-transfer for me of that, Hunter71, and two of the Rotterdam 77 shows while AT's tapes were still in his care. Though now that you mention it, 1973 is still at 16/44. Does his transfer of NB's master for 73/11/04 circulate? (I forget if that was the early or late show)

update for goldenband--uploads of some things I mentioned start early this week--have a decent editing setup worked out on this laptop finally!--, plus a couple surprises in store that were mentioned earlier in this thread.

neonknight
08-04-2013, 12:10 PM
Actually he made a separate DAT(0) re-transfer for me of that, Hunter71, and two of the Rotterdam 77 shows while AT's tapes were still in his care. Though now that you mention it, 1973 is still at 16/44. Does his transfer of NB's master for 73/11/04 circulate? (I forget if that was the early or late show)

update for goldenband--uploads of some things I mentioned start early this week--have a decent editing setup worked out on this laptop finally!--, plus a couple surprises in store that were mentioned earlier in this thread.

This is getting complicated! I'm delighted to be corrected. I'm going to set this out in a list to make sure we are talking about the same things and so anybody who isn't familiar with the collection will know what we are talking about:


Hunter 71 - I assume that's Cass(2) > DAT(0), missing ASOS and 136 mins. If yes, that's out there as a 16/44 SHN (unless I am guessing the connection wrongly) so if your DAT is in 48kHz it would be welcome (you made a CD copy for me in 2001)
A shame that your copy of 1973-11-04 Early Show Recorder 2 Cass(2) > DAT(0) is also in 16/44, so that takes us back to where we were in terms of goldenband's copy possibly being better
NB's master 1973-11-04 - transferred in June 2004 by TS, I think this should be referred to as Recorder 1, Early Show. I believe this does circulate but expect it will be inferior to your copy
Rotterdam 1977-02-18 - not sure which recorder you are referring to as Travis had DAT(0)s of both recorders 1 (1st gen) and 2 (2nd gen). These were not amongst the DATs I acquired and I think either or both would be really welcomed by the community as neither circulate
Rotterdam 1977-02-19 - again Travis had two DAT(0)s - both Cass(3) - neither circulate

Shamil
08-08-2013, 12:55 PM
The best known sources for both Berlin 1977 shows could use an upgrade. For January 30 (rec 1) we only have the awful noise reduced Windmill source and Absolut Floyd (which is identical to that minus a few digital glitches) on the tracker. Anyone who wants to share the Cass(1) > Mini Disc > CDR source of that show?

Bert--Was any better Berlin 01/29/77 source uncovered yet? My ana1 for 1/30 is damaged (or so my notes say, I don't have it in front of me and I forget the circumstances), but I have 1/29/77 from two different 1st gen tapes (obtained almost at the same time from two different German traders, as luck would have it), with lineages of ana1>cdr(2) and ana1>md>cdr(0). I have no idea what the "Windmill" or other circulating sources sound like, but I do know that mine are raw transfers. I have these audio CDRs packed, but could locate if there is interest--already have to dig up Aarhus'70 from (probably) the same box.

Bert13
08-08-2013, 01:45 PM
Bert--Was any better Berlin 01/29/77 source uncovered yet? My ana1 for 1/30 is damaged (or so my notes say, I don't have it in front of me and I forget the circumstances), but I have 1/29/77 from two different 1st gen tapes (obtained almost at the same time from two different German traders, as luck would have it), with lineages of ana1>cdr(2) and ana1>md>cdr(0). I have no idea what the "Windmill" or other circulating sources sound like, but I do know that mine are raw transfers. I have these audio CDRs packed, but could locate if there is interest--already have to dig up Aarhus'70 from (probably) the same box.

The best we have available for 01/29 is the Windmill source with the same lineage as your ana1>md>cdr except yours is probably a few CDR gens closer to the source. At face value I'd say your ana1>cdr would be an upgrade to that. Too bad about the damaged 01/30 because it's only available on a crappy noise reduced release (Windmill and Absolut Floyd).

Shamil
08-08-2013, 02:06 PM
That too would be great to hear. I suspect your copy is probably better than mine.

I can't think of anything. Really sorry to hear about your hospital stay, I hope that's all behind you!

Ok, I have two recorders for the 1973/11/04 early set going. See:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31483-Pink-Floyd-1973-11-04-London-(early-show)-Recorder-1-Master
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31482-Pink-Floyd-1973-11-04-London-(early-show)-Recorder-2-2nd-gen

Some other stuff to go up next week.

Health issues seem to be in the rear-view for the moment. Admitted into the hospital in early June after a week in San Francisco (saw BORIS twice in their SF residency and took the long way home through NE California/SE Oregon) with unexplained extremely high blood pressure with no discernible cause. Left the hospital after a week of tests with slightly lower (and controller) BP with still no discernible cause and an enormous bill. Doing quite well since then, however!

Much more annoyed at the hard drive problems I've had. No less than a day after I wrote the phrase "NOT any of my data drives", one of my data drives' MFT became corrupted. Not much live or studio stuff on there, just some of my own masters that I was in the middle of processing or hadn't archived yet. Recovered most of the important stuff on the drive through a few roundabout processes, but that's a long, tedious, annoying, and annoying process. Did I mention annoying? Most of the items that were 'unrecoverable' by any forensic recovery method I know of just happened to be some of my masters that I shared on DIME earlier in the year--unreal!

b_squared
08-10-2013, 04:01 PM
1973 has been updated, thanks to Shamil. ;)

Next I will update Earl's Court 1973-05-19. Has anyone heard of a recorder 2 for this show?

b_squared
08-11-2013, 09:26 PM
I think 1973 is up to date now. If I missed anything let me (or Bert13) know.

goldenband
08-12-2013, 02:12 AM
Ok, I have two recorders for the 1973/11/04 early set going. See:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31483-Pink-Floyd-1973-11-04-London-(early-show)-Recorder-1-Master
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31482-Pink-Floyd-1973-11-04-London-(early-show)-Recorder-2-2nd-gen

Some other stuff to go up next week.

These uploads have been brilliant! Thanks so much for them. I'm a bit behind since I was on vacation when some of them went up, but I'm getting caught up and really enjoying them.


Health issues seem to be in the rear-view for the moment. Admitted into the hospital in early June after a week in San Francisco (saw BORIS twice in their SF residency and took the long way home through NE California/SE Oregon) with unexplained extremely high blood pressure with no discernible cause. Left the hospital after a week of tests with slightly lower (and controller) BP with still no discernible cause and an enormous bill. Doing quite well since then, however!

That's terrifying. I'd imagine they tested you for pheochromocytoma and things like that, and that you hadn't recently been pounding down St. John's Wort cocktails with a chaser of red wine and aged cheese. When something like that happens, it's so much worse when the doctors can only shrug.


Much more annoyed at the hard drive problems I've had. [...] Did I mention annoying? Most of the items that were 'unrecoverable' by any forensic recovery method I know of just happened to be some of my masters that I shared on DIME earlier in the year--unreal!

Ugh, I've been there, or something like it. Does that mean, at least, that all your masters were preserved because they'd been torrented? I've lost a couple masters through the years, but never due to HD failure -- instead, it's been the more banal reality of lending out a tape and not getting it back.

neonknight
08-14-2013, 09:36 PM
If you would like to taper names could be added for 1972-02-20 and 1973-11-04 in light of lordsnooty's recent posts.

neonknight
08-14-2013, 10:15 PM
Next I will update Earl's Court 1973-05-19. Has anyone heard of a recorder 2 for this show?

I have a pair of unknown gen tapes that I believe are recorder 2. They time in at around 130 minutes and will be transferred and uploaded if when I study them in more detail I am right. YGBC has a 126 minute recording on her list. Assuming it's the same as mine, she notes that it was recorded a long way from the stage and gives it a VG-, so expectations shouldn't be too high.

EDIT: my recording turned out to be a copy of recorder 1 that started a little later. It was quite nice after deleting the weak channel but doesn't merit uploading here.

neonknight
08-16-2013, 09:36 PM
I was going to transfer and upload this one. The tunings before the song starts suggest that it is different to the BBC broadcast but I am not sure. Has anyone ever worked it out?

EDIT: This is now being discussed offline but it would still be good to hear from anybody who would like to contribute.

neonknight
08-24-2013, 05:44 PM
Please add my recent first gen upload for 19765-04-21 and Jimfisheye's reworking of the audience recording of 1970-01-23 :)

Bert13
08-24-2013, 11:24 PM
It will be updated soon. ;)

Bert13
09-05-2013, 09:26 PM
1975-06-15 Roosevelt Stadium, Jersey City, NJ
Recorder 1: the uncorrected master or Faster Jersey 1975 (LPP). There's another speed correction of it here, but it seems like a bad idea to speed correct a speed correction.
Recorder 2 (not available)

Correct, it is a bad idea and this one particularly because the software that was used degraded the source which can clearly be seen in spectral view and there are glaring index clicks at the track transitions because the speed correction was done track by track and they've not been properly aligned. I'd suggest to delete it from the list of best known sources. Maybe one day LP will be able to go back to the source and make a Rev B when he finds the time.

Lennyif
09-15-2013, 09:42 PM
In 1977, there are none of the Wembley dates.

Here's March 18th 24/96: http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31646-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-18-Empire-Pool-Wembley-Recorder-1-unknown-gen-24-96

and March 18 16/24: http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31647-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-18-Empire-Pool-Wembley-Recorder-1-unknown-gen-16-44

"Knobs" Lp Rip: http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16032-1977-03-15-Pink-Floyd-LP-Archives-Vol-7-Knobs

March 15: http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30423-Wembley-1977-3-15&highlight=Wembley

March 16: http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16055-PF19770316-Empire-Pool-Wembley-London-JFE-remaster&highlight=

March 17: http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16072-PF19770317-Empire-Pool-Wembley-London-JFE-remaster&highlight=

goldenband
09-15-2013, 10:16 PM
In 1977, there are none of the Wembley dates.

Here's March 18th 24/96: http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31646-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-18-Empire-Pool-Wembley-Recorder-1-unknown-gen-24-96

and March 18 16/24: http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31647-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-18-Empire-Pool-Wembley-Recorder-1-unknown-gen-16-44

There's also a second recorder in poor sound, which I haven't heard. No idea what the best copy of it is -- maybe "Court's In Session" from someone/something called Massive Attak, which I don't have.


I thought I remembered seeing an Lp rip of "Knobs" on here too which I believe is the same date and recorder. But I don't see it on the tracker.

That one's from the 15th, and there are two recorders: the "Knobs" source, and Lordsnooty's tape which misses the encore but sounds a bit better IIRC. Pinkrudy's transfer of Knobs is here (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16032-1977-03-15-Pink-Floyd-LP-Archives-Vol-7-Knobs); I haven't downloaded it, but Bert13 noted that it sounds "a bit better" than this transfer (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?15303-1977-03-15-Knobs), which also has a skip in it that I'm not sure is native to the LP.

As for Lordsnooty's recorder, is the "Reeling in Pink Floyd" version the best copy we have? If so, I think this reseed of Buffalofloyd's retracked version (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30563-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-15-Master-DAT-(Recorder-2)-48khz-(DVD-2-Tape-2-amp-DVD-5-Tape22)) may be the torrent of choice, but I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.

As for for the shows on the 16th, 17th, and 19th: each has only one circulating recorder, and all three have poor, distant, muffled sound (was it the same taper for all three shows + the "bad" version of the 18th?). My notes say that I have:

Pink Floyd - 1977-03-16 - Empire Pool (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10131-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-16-Empire-Pool)
Pink Floyd - 1977-03-17 - Wembley 17.3.77 (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10163-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-17-Wembley-17-3-77) (as I note here (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10163-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-17-Wembley-17-3-77&p=66300#post66300), this includes a couple tracks from another show, maybe 1977-03-18; I believe the full show exists)
Pink Floyd - 1977-03-19 - Wembley 19.3.77 (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10119-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-19-Wembley-19-3-77)

jimfisheye worked on the show from the 17th here (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16072-PF19770317-Empire-Pool-Wembley-London-JFE-remaster) (and his remaster omits the tracks that are from a different show), but I haven't heard the fruits of his labor though I'm sure it's a net improvement. Did he do the other two as well?

Bert13
09-16-2013, 09:47 AM
There's also a second recorder in poor sound, which I haven't heard. No idea what the best copy of it is -- maybe "Court's In Session" from someone/something called Massive Attak, which I don't have.

The best available version of recorder 2 would be this copy from unknown gen, I probably only listened to it once but my notes say it runs fast.
It only runs up to 5 mins into Wish You Were Here, the rest of the tracks are from an unknown date (SOYCD 6-9 and Money while Us And Them is taken from the Knobs LP and consists of the first verse repeated several times).


As for Lordsnooty's recorder, is the "Reeling in Pink Floyd" version the best copy we have? If so, I think this reseed of Buffalofloyd's retracked version (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30563-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-15-Master-DAT-(Recorder-2)-48khz-(DVD-2-Tape-2-amp-DVD-5-Tape22)) may be the torrent of choice, but I'm happy to be corrected if wrong.

jimfisheye worked on the show from the 17th here (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16072-PF19770317-Empire-Pool-Wembley-London-JFE-remaster) (and his remaster omits the tracks that are from a different show), but I haven't heard the fruits of his labor though I'm sure it's a net improvement. Did he do the other two as well?

Buffalofloyd's tracked version of March 15 recorder 2 is better than the older "master > CDR" sources although jimfisheye's remaster would probably be the torrent of choice for most. It can be found here. His remaster of the March 16 show is here. As far as I know he didn't come round to doing the March 18 and 19 shows. March 18 recorder 1 ofcourse has been upgraded by neonknight/kbrubaker's unknown gen anyway.

goldenband
09-16-2013, 09:15 PM
^Thanks, Bert. I have downloaded/am working on downloading some of those right now, though the 1977-03-18 Rec. 2 torrent and the JFE remaster of 1977-03-15 aren't coming in for me just yet. But JFE's remasters of the 16th and 17th make for a significant improvement. The 16th is quite a bit better than the 17th, which is skirting the edge of listenability. :D I'll have to ask whether he worked on the 19th at all.

With Neon's upgrade of 1977-03-18 Rec. 1, it seems like the Wembley 1977 date most in need of additional research is the 17th, since we don't have a version that includes a legitimate copy of the last couple tracks. At least one trader lists a copy of the 17th that has the real SOYCD 6-9 + encore, and also has better sound.

BTW how do gotta_be_crazy's recent uploads of Marbal's 1975-04-21 (two different transfers) compare to the 1st gen that Neonknight uploaded?

larryrocker
09-16-2013, 11:59 PM
It will be updated soon. ;)

Any chance to update the tracker for the one you have listed for Dortmund 1977-1-24?

http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?4224-Pink-Floyd-1977-01-24-Master

It's showing 2 seeders, but utorrent is saying "Failure: unregistered torrent pass".

PatGoD67
09-17-2013, 12:07 AM
Also, a link to Andrea82's recent posting of the vinyl would be appreciated for 1975-04-21. Even if it's only temporary, until a better transfer/remaster is unleashed on the tracker :drool: :cheers:

goldenband
09-17-2013, 04:42 AM
The best available version of recorder 2 would be this copy from unknown gen, I probably only listened to it once but my notes say it runs fast.
It only runs up to 5 mins into Wish You Were Here, the rest of the tracks are from an unknown date (SOYCD 6-9 and Money while Us And Them is taken from the Knobs LP and consists of the first verse repeated several times).

I still haven't downloaded this yet (no seeders). But speaking of that weird Us and Them from Knobs, I've just checked a bunch of 1977 dates and it doesn't match any of them:

1977-01-23
1977-02-01
1977-03-18
1977-04-22
1977-04-30
1977-05-01
1977-05-09
1977-05-10
1977-06-25
1977-06-27
1977-06-29
1977-07-02
1977-07-03
1977-07-04
1977-07-06

I don't have the real 1977-03-17 encore (as discussed above), but otherwise, is that all of the 1977 shows with U&T?

I strongly suspect that this U&T is from one of the Wembley shows; one source I saw credited it to 1977-03-19, but I have no idea how they came to that conclusion. We know it's not 1977-03-15 -- since Lordsnooty was there and confirmed IIRC that Money was the only encore -- and it doesn't match 1977-03-18.

Bert13
09-17-2013, 10:57 AM
I have downloaded/am working on downloading some of those right now, though the 1977-03-18 Rec. 2 torrent and the JFE remaster of 1977-03-15 aren't coming in for me just yet.

They're seeded now with thanks to nolte and TANSTAAFL.


BTW how do gotta_be_crazy's recent uploads of Marbal's 1975-04-21 (two different transfers) compare to the 1st gen that Neonknight uploaded?

I haven't downloaded the 2nd one because gbc already noted it was inferior to the FA transfer so didn't feel the need to download that one as well. Didn't make a comparison yet, must confess that I'm a bit burned out on this particular show right now. Maybe someone else in here did?

Bert13
09-18-2013, 07:35 PM
Any chance to update the tracker for the one you have listed for Dortmund 1977-1-24?

http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?4224-Pink-Floyd-1977-01-24-Master

It's showing 2 seeders, but utorrent is saying "Failure: unregistered torrent pass".

I can't get it to work either. It would have to be reseeded by someone, it's the only torrent on the tracker of this source that's left. Pottel deleted the torrent files on both of his uploads.

goldenband
09-23-2013, 08:25 PM
I've done up a chart of the 1977 Wembley dates so that b_squared can just drop it in when he has a chance:

1977-03-15 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England
Rec 1 ("Knobs" LP source): 1977-03-15 - Pink Floyd LP Archives Vol.7 - Knobs (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16032-1977-03-15-Pink-Floyd-LP-Archives-Vol-7-Knobs) (omits the strange, looping recording of Us and Them from a different/unknown show)
Rec 2 (Lordsnooty): Pink Floyd - 1977.03.15 Master-DAT (Recorder 2) [48khz] (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30563-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-15-Master-DAT-(Recorder-2)-48khz-(DVD-2-Tape-2-amp-DVD-5-Tape22)), or PF19770315 Empire Pool, Wembley, London rec2 JFE remaster (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16028-PF19770315-Empire-Pool-Wembley-London-rec2-JFE-remaster)

1977-03-16 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England
PF19770316 Empire Pool, Wembley, London JFE remaster (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16055-PF19770316-Empire-Pool-Wembley-London-JFE-remaster), based on this source (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10131-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-16-Empire-Pool)
1977-03-17 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England
PF19770317 Empire Pool, Wembley, London JFE remaster (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16072-PF19770317-Empire-Pool-Wembley-London-JFE-remaster), based on this source (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10163-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-17-Wembley-17-3-77), but omits filler from 1977-03-18; no source on tracker has the legit end of the show, but it exists on tape
1977-03-18 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England
Rec 1: Neonknight's transfer of kbrubaker's unknown gen tapes: 24-bit/96 kHz (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31646-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-18-Empire-Pool-Wembley-Recorder-1-unknown-gen-24-96), or 16-bit/44.1 kHz (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31647-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-18-Empire-Pool-Wembley-Recorder-1-unknown-gen-16-44)
Rec 2: Pink Floyd - 1977-03-18 - Cassette (Low Gen) (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16115-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-18-Cassette-(Low-Gen))
1977-03-19 Empire Pool, Wembley, Middlesex, England
Pink Floyd - 1977-03-19 - Wembley 19.3.77 (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10119-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-19-Wembley-19-3-77)

neonknight
09-23-2013, 09:11 PM
Really useful post goldenband! As I mentioned elsewhere, Marbal and I have been talking about further tapes for me to transfer. Marbal's list has recordings for all five nights at Wembley, so I am optimistic there will be some upgrades. Fingers crossed they are not amongst the cassettes that have been lost.

goldenband
09-23-2013, 10:02 PM
Really useful post goldenband! As I mentioned elsewhere, Marbal and I have been talking about further tapes for me to transfer. Marbal's list has recordings for all five nights at Wembley, so I am optimistic there will be some upgrades. Fingers crossed they are not amongst the cassettes that have been lost.

Upgrades would be brilliant. :D I think the 17th is definitely the biggest priority since the torrented copies are incomplete and have terrible sound quality. Plus I'd like to figure out where Us & Them on Knobs is from, and I think it might be the 17th (I strongly suspect it's from the Wembley run). After that, the 19th is probably second in line.

goldenband
09-23-2013, 11:24 PM
Hey b_squared, I tried to reply to your PM but your inbox is full. If you click "Reply with quote..." you should be able to copy and paste the BBCode, I think?

b_squared
09-23-2013, 11:34 PM
Hey b_squared, I tried to reply to your PM but your inbox is full. If you click "Reply with quote..." you should be able to copy and paste the BBCode, I think?

Duh, you're right! I've already pasted it into the original post. Had to split 1977 into two posts and condense the Wall tour into a single one. I hope this holds out on the long run.

Thanks for the excellent contribution, made my life very easy!

goldenband
09-24-2013, 02:24 AM
Duh, you're right! I've already pasted it into the original post. Had to split 1977 into two posts and condense the Wall tour into a single one. I hope this holds out on the long run.

Thanks for the excellent contribution, made my life very easy!

You're very welcome! I'd imagine that if you start running out of space again, you could start new threads for the Gilmour & Waters solo tours, and use those posts for the PF 1967-1981 overflow instead. Is the limit the number of links, or the number of characters?

BTW right before the Wembley shows, there's a stray entry labeled as 1977-02-18, but with links for 1977-03-18. I think that can be removed, since it's already covered in the Wembley group.

If there's room in that first 1977 post, we should add 1977-03-30 and 1977-03-31, both at New Bingley Hall, Stafford, Staffordshire, England, though I'm not sure what the best sources for those are. There are three recorders for the 1977-03-30 show; I think this is the best source of one of them (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?23475-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-30-New-Bingley-Hall-Stafford-Staffordshire-UK-(1st-gen)) -- I believe we're calling this Recorder 2? Downloading that now.

And I think this (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?23200-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-30-quot-Previously-Uncirculated-quot-Stafford-New-Bingley-Hall) is Recorder 3. So is this Recorder 1? (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16281-Pink-Floyd-Stafford-30th-March-1977-Low-gen-c60-cassette) Looks like we need reseeds on Rec. 1 & 3, or at least I do.

For 1977-03-31, I don't think we have anything better than Flesh Animalization (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30576-Reseed-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-31-Flesh-Animalization-New-Bingley-Hall-Stafford), do we?

The next set of 1977 entries, i.e. the North American tour, also has a few missing shows:

1977-05-01 Tarrant County Convention Center, Fort Worth, TX (2 recorders)
1977-05-06 Anaheim Stadium, Anaheim, CA (2 recorders)
1977-05-07 Anaheim Stadium, Anaheim, CA

goldenband
09-24-2013, 02:55 AM
OK, let's do this properly:


1977-03-30 New Bingley Hall, Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Rec 1: Pink Floyd - Stafford 30th March 1977 - Low gen c60 cassette (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16281-Pink-Floyd-Stafford-30th-March-1977-Low-gen-c60-cassette) (incomplete but best sound for this recorder)
Rec 2 (Neil Corkendale): 1977-03-30 New Bingley Hall, Stafford, Staffordshire, UK. (1st gen) (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?23475-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-30-New-Bingley-Hall-Stafford-Staffordshire-UK-(1st-gen))
Rec 3 (Starboy): 1977-03-30 "Previously Uncirculated" Stafford New Bingley Hall (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?23200-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-30-quot-Previously-Uncirculated-quot-Stafford-New-Bingley-Hall)
1977-03-31 New Bingley Hall, Stafford, Staffordshire, England
Flesh Animalization (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30576-Reseed-Pink-Floyd-1977-03-31-Flesh-Animalization-New-Bingley-Hall-Stafford)
Is this correct, and are these the preferred sources? I remember Bert13 did some research into the show on the 30th, so Bert, feel free to correct me. Info on Neil Corkendale taken from Nigel B's post here (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?19716-1977-03-30-New-Bingley-Hall-Stafford-(From-Chris-L)&p=123955#post123955), in andy_672's last torrent. :(

EDIT: The C60 is only a partial copy of 1977-03-30 Rec. 1. It looks like the complete (?) source is available on "Animals in the Hall", but all the torrents we have for it are stone dead (I got an "unregistered torrent pass" on at least one). However, at least one trader lists a version of the complete Rec. 1 that has much better sound.

Bert13
09-24-2013, 02:23 PM
I remember Bert13 did some research into the show on the 30th, so Bert, feel free to correct me.

Looks good, Phil. I only have a few additions.
For the 30th, recorder 2, there's an additional raw untracked and unencoded transfer of Nigel B's low gen Cassette by Danlynch with the first part of the show plus Money which sounds very nice. It can be found here:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?15982

For the 31st I would add the 4th gen, uploaded by FOP, which does have more hiss and more distortion than Flesh Animalization but doesn't sound as shrill. It can be found here:
http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16226


A few more things:


1977-02-18 Ahoy, Rotterdam, The Netherlands Rec 1 (believed to be Brian S.): Neonknight's transfer of Kbrubaker's unknown gen 96kHz/24bit or 44.1kHz/16bit
Like GB commented above this entry points to another date and can be deleted.


1977-01-24 Westfallenhalle, Dortmund, Germany: cass[M]>DAT>cdr

This link to the recent reseed by TANSTAAFL can be copied and pasted into the list, people are having problems downloading from the other linked torrent by buffalofloyd.



1970-04-29 Fillmore West, San Francisco, CA Recorder 1: this supposed master doesn't sound as nice as other sources, but it hasn't been processed and has good potential
It's not a supposed master but a 1st gen > DAT transfer which is incomplete, runs fast and sounds much inferior to the common source but is at least untampered with, or so it would seem. It's only interesting for a minority of people and certainly not one I would list among the best known sources for this show.

goldenband
09-24-2013, 07:49 PM
Cool! OK, let's patch some more holes:

1977-05-01 Tarrant County Convention Center, Fort Worth, TX
Rec 1 (T.): Iron Pigs On Fire (T-700) (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?1121-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-01-Fort-Worth-TX-USA-Iron-Pigs-On-Fire-(T-700))
Rec 2: 1st gen (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?2535-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-01-TCCCenter-Fort-Worth-TX-(rec-2)-1st-gen)
I think that covers it for Fort Worth. Consensus is that the original version of T-700 is better than the revised version, right?

And now for Anaheim:

1977-05-06 Anaheim Stadium, Anaheim, CA
Rec 1: The Evil Tide (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16354-1977-05-06-Anaheim-Stadium-Anaheim-(Rec-1)-(The-Evil-Tide))
Rec 2 (California Stockyard LP): Vol. 4 of this Pink Floyd LP Archives torrent (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16819-Pink-Floyd-LP-Archives-Vol-01-10); is there a freestanding torrent? LP source is on California Stockyard (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10750-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-06-1977-05-07-California-Stockyard) but Sirene releases usually have NR
1977-05-07 Anaheim Stadium, Anaheim, CA
Which is better, California Nights (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?2489-1977-05-07-California-Nights) or the version on the Sirene California Stockyard (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10750-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-06-1977-05-07-California-Stockyard) set? Untorrented tape sources may be better than either of these.
Feedback would be very much appreciated on these Anaheim shows.

Bert13
09-24-2013, 08:18 PM
Cool! OK, let's patch some more holes:

1977-05-01 Tarrant County Convention Center, Fort Worth, TX
Rec 1 (T.): Iron Pigs On Fire (T-700) (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?1121-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-01-Fort-Worth-TX-USA-Iron-Pigs-On-Fire-(T-700))
Rec 2: 1st gen (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?2535-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-01-TCCCenter-Fort-Worth-TX-(rec-2)-1st-gen)
I think that covers it for Fort Worth. Consensus is that the original version of T-700 is better than the revised version, right?

The T-700 is the preferred version, yes. The T-700 Rev A sounds harsh and there's an artificial, metallic sounding background noise to be heard. Both run fast however.


1977-05-06 Anaheim Stadium, Anaheim, CA
Rec 1: The Evil Tide (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16354-1977-05-06-Anaheim-Stadium-Anaheim-(Rec-1)-(The-Evil-Tide))
Rec 2 (California Stockyard LP): Vol. 4 of this Pink Floyd LP Archives torrent (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16819-Pink-Floyd-LP-Archives-Vol-01-10); is there a freestanding torrent? LP source is on California Stockyard (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10750-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-06-1977-05-07-California-Stockyard) but Sirene releases usually have NR
1977-05-07 Anaheim Stadium, Anaheim, CA
Which is better, California Nights (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?2489-1977-05-07-California-Nights) or the version on the Sirene California Stockyard (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10750-Pink-Floyd-1977-05-06-1977-05-07-California-Stockyard) set? Untorrented tape sources may be better than either of these.
Feedback would be very much appreciated on these Anaheim shows.

I can't find a standalone torrent for the California Stockyard LP on the tracker, don't think it was ever torrented separately. An alternative is MoLM's Reap The Harvest. The only version I have of the May 7 show is California Nights. My notes say it's an unprocessed transfer from low gen but with speed problems and that the taper is Michael Cariola.

neonknight
09-24-2013, 09:54 PM
On page 2 1977-03-18 is currently mislabelled as 1977-02-18 (and mistitled). Please keep up the good work on this thread - I for one find it really helpful ;)

Bert13
10-14-2013, 11:31 AM
1977-03-18 is mislabeled as Rotterdam, The Netherlands. Also, the recommendations for 1977-03-30 and 31 as well as the updated link for 1977-01-24 have not been incorporated into the list (yet).

b_squared
10-14-2013, 10:02 PM
Ok, guys. I think I'm mostly up to date with the stuff you guys posted here, but have to yet add some of the latest uploads. You're keeping me busy! :)

Bert13
10-15-2013, 05:06 PM
A small correction:


1972-12-01 Palais des Sports de L'Ile de la Jatte, Saint Ouen, France

This should read: Palais des Sports de L'ile des Vannes, Saint Ouen, France

Eckoes
10-15-2013, 05:50 PM
A small correction:
This should read: Palais des Sports de L'ile des Vannes, Saint Ouen, France

Addendum: according to friends from Paris, you just say «Palais des Sports». That's the official name now, and it was back then too.
Palais des Sports, Saint Ouen, France

gotta_be_crazy
10-15-2013, 06:43 PM
1970-11-07 Grote Zaal de Doelen, Rotterdam, Holland: JFE's remaster, from Floydweed 06 and the 1st gen


you need to add here the 4h generation recently torrented! Though it's missing Blues it's the best sounding version so far.
link: http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31714-1970-11-07-Rotterdam-4th-Generation-24-48-marbal-s-cassettes&highlight=

gotta_be_crazy
10-15-2013, 06:48 PM
1968-12-28 Utrecht, Holland (Gerrit M): neonknight's 4th gen, which is missing some tune-ups available in cass[1] > DAT(?) > SHN


Here you need to ad the low generation shared recently, link: http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31703-1968-12-28-Utrecht-Low-Generation-48khz&highlight=

gotta_be_crazy
10-15-2013, 06:51 PM
1971-11-10 Pavillon de la Jeunesse, Quebec, Canada: Labyrinth Rev A. K


Here you need to add the 2nd gen > DAT > CDR, link: http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31637-1971-11-10-2nd-gen-(DAT-CDR)&highlight=

and also Beechwood's or Neonknight's MD version, can't remember who of them torrented that version!

goldenband
10-19-2013, 03:35 AM
Some housekeeping:

1977-01-29 Berlin, aud recorder -- an upgrade to the Windmill boot is still in the works, right (or did I miss it)? BTW ygbc/littlesheep's tapelist has a 3rd gen with the lineage "Maxell XLII90's>Sony CFD-G500>SB X-Fi Xtrememusic>Cooledit Pro>FLAC48khz/24bit", which she lists as the best-sounding source for this recorder.

For 1977-05-06 Rec 1, marbal's 1st gen at 24/48 (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31857-1977-05-06-Anaheim-1st-Generation-Recorder-1-24-48-marbal-s-cassettes) should probably get the nod over The Evil Tide (and its unremastered source, low gen CDR from jimshoes (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31828-1977-05-06-Anaheim-CA-lowgen-CDR)). However, we should keep the latter two releases listed, because marbal's 1st gen has ~1:09 of interference in one channel during SOYCD 6-9...from an incompletely-erased Jethro Tull tape (!). Maybe someone will patch that out, since otherwise the last part of marbal's tape is clearly superior to The Evil Tide and the low-gen CDR.

1977-06-19 Rec. 1 lists "MP3 sourced transfer from master circulated by the taper (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16230)" (with no seeders at the moment) or "a flawed low gen (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1663)". What's the alleged flaw in the low gen? The composite of 2 sources (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10413) was nicely done but still has a few small glitches, as I mention in the torrent thread; if I can download the Rec. 1 master, I'll check whether they were native to the master (which is already full of gaps) or are digital errors that crept in.

Bert13
10-19-2013, 09:49 AM
1977-06-19 Rec. 1 lists "MP3 sourced transfer from master circulated by the taper (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16230)" (with no seeders at the moment) or "a flawed low gen (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1663)". What's the alleged flaw in the low gen? The composite of 2 sources (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10413) was nicely done but still has a few small glitches, as I mention in the torrent thread; if I can download the Rec. 1 master, I'll check whether they were native to the master (which is already full of gaps) or are digital errors that crept in.

The mp3 sourced master transfer of rec 2 (not 1 btw) is seeded now. The low gen was called flawed because of the issues which are mentioned in the description (blank spaces and skips with missing material).

neonknight
10-19-2013, 08:06 PM
I noticed that two recorders are listed for this date and believe there are four others. Have any of the other recorders appeared on Y or elsewhere?

Bert13
10-19-2013, 08:32 PM
I noticed that two recorders are listed for this date and believe there are four others. Have any of the other recorders appeared on Y or elsewhere?

Only the two listed, the others have never been torrented.

Bert13
10-19-2013, 08:33 PM
I have a 24 bit weedwacker version of the chicago show? Don't know where I got it, though, as I don't see it on Yeeshkul? Want me to add it?

Artist: Pink Floyd
Date: 1977-06-19
Location: Chicago, IL
Venue: Soldier Field
Source: Audience
Lineage: 1st gen cassettes>wav(24/96)>flac
Transfer: Maxell XL II 90 Casettes(x2)>Revox B 215>Monster Studiolink 1/4 to RCA cable(balanced pair)>Audiophile 192>Adobe Audition 3.0 (Done Nov. 2009)
Taping Gear: unknown mics(set from a home stereo system)>UHER CR134
Taped By: Jeff J.
Transferred By: weedwacker
This recording we are pretty sure is the same recording commonly listed as source 1, the one with the long intro and fireworks.

It's linked on the list above.

goldenband
10-19-2013, 08:53 PM
I noticed that two recorders are listed for this date and believe there are four others. Have any of the other recorders appeared on Y or elsewhere?

I believe the tapes we have on the tracker are the ones that ygbc/littlesheep calls Rec. 1 and Rec. 5, is that correct? Her system has:

Rec. 1 - the common source in high quality, as seen on Reeling in PF etc.
Rec. 2 - farther from the stage, tune-ups edited out, STC missing
Rec. 3 - includes the announcement at the start, don't know much about this one
Rec. 4 - only OOTD?
Rec. 5 - "Only the Moon" recorder

She doesn't mention a Rec. 6.

Parenthetically, I'd love to know if the same guy taped 1971-06-04 Rec. 2 and 1972-11-14 Rec. 2. Both are Dusseldorf shows with tune-ups, STC, and "non-music" parts of songs omitted.

neonknight
10-19-2013, 09:01 PM
Parenthetically, I'd love to know if the same guy taped 1971-06-04 Rec. 2 and 1972-11-14 Rec. 2. Both are Dusseldorf shows with tune-ups, STC, and "non-music" parts of songs omitted.

I bet you are right. I have amassed a pretty good list of who taped what over the years but have no idea about either of these. This is one of those moments where we miss Rolf's input. He would have known.

neonknight
10-19-2013, 09:12 PM
She doesn't mention a Rec. 6.

I haven't had a chance to check your list or YGBC's site before writing this but that looks like a good start for some comparisons. Few people seem to know about recorder 6 - I only know on good and corroborated authority that it exists and have no other details. I think I may be able to help with Recorder 3 but first I am aiming to complete work on Marbal's copy of Recorder 1.

goldenband
10-19-2013, 09:42 PM
I bet you are right. I have amassed a pretty good list of who taped what over the years but have no idea about either of these. This is one of those moments where we miss Rolf's input. He would have known.

Indeed. :(


I haven't had a chance to check your list or YGBC's site before writing this but that looks like a good start for some comparisons. Few people seem to know about recorder 6 - I only know on good and corroborated authority that it exists and have no other details. I think I may be able to help with Recorder 3 but first I am aiming to complete work on Marbal's copy of Recorder 1.

Cool! BTW to save you time, here's YGBC's page on 1972-11-14 (http://ygbc.orgfree.com/wow/THEMATIC_WOW_1972-11-14.htm).

demamo
10-20-2013, 10:58 PM
Years ago I had a Stockholm 3.19.70 tape that I believe was from a radio broadcast and was only AHM. I also seem to remember "defects in the master" written on it by the well known collector I traded to get it from. Has that show been shared on Yeeshkul. BTW, I don't have it anymore.

neonknight
10-21-2013, 07:14 PM
Years ago I had a Stockholm 3.19.70 tape that I believe was from a radio broadcast and was only AHM. I also seem to remember "defects in the master" written on it by the well known collector I traded to get it from. Has that show been shared on Yeeshkul. BTW, I don't have it anymore.

No it hasn't been posted up to Y (it hasn't even been mentioned). Would contact with the well known collector be possible?

Shamil
10-22-2013, 06:26 AM
Some idiot (possibly me) made certain promises at various points about sources that I had in a box somewhere, but had (at the time) not yet fully located. Aforementioned idiot has remedied this problem. Aforementioned idiot (again, that's me) still takes his sweet time with things, apparently. However, the following are in various stages of preparation now that I have a bit of breathing space between classes (and yes, Ian, I know I used almost that exact same phrase to you a few weeks ago!):
1968-12-28 ana(2)>cdr(0)
1969-08-08 ana(2)>cdr(0), rec 1
1969-08-08 ana(2)>cdr(0), rec 2
1977-01-29 ana(1)>cdr(2), ver 1
1977-01-29 ana(1)>md(0)>cdr(0), ver 2
1977-02-17 ana(1)>dat(0)
1977-02-18 ana(1)>dat(0)

None are new a>d transfers, and may circulate in some form or another; however, probably not this close to the original unmutilated sources. Heading off the obvious question--no, not in touch with the owners of the tapes that I originally obtained these from. Some of these are sourced from an old school German tape trader who briefly re- and dis-appeared on the trading scene around 2002(?). I think TS was able to briefly borrow a couple of his tapes for a slightly more proper rendering (@16/48), but unfortunately nothing hi-res has, or presumably ever will(?), appear of the source tapes.

More of marbal's tapes from the Dortmund Wall shows will also be forthcoming, after I assess what I actually have of those that Luis didn't already seed.

I mentioned these Utrecht & Plumpton sources to Ian after the new sets appeared, but then the CDRs weren't in the (handy) box I assumed they were at the time. The rest I have mentioned at some point to golden or Bert, and then promptly forgot about. Well, I'm clearing out the decks now.

1970-11-13 ana(4)>cdr(0) was a major disappointment--it appears that my original CDR set off AT's tapes is actually NR'd (like the circulated copy mentioned a few hundred postings above), though I cannot imagine how that happened.

1972-04-27 ana(2)>dat(?) has the most bizarre-shaped waveform that I have ever seen. I am certain that it is not "NR'd" or any of the traditional methods of destruction, but bizarre all the same.. goldenband, I think I sent you a brief sample and a screencap of this when we were talking about it a few months ago--you know what I mean by 'bizarre'! Moving forward with the project anyway, as I was unable to obtain an alternate copy that did not have this same peculiarity.

1971-08-09 ana(4)>cdr(0) is another set I'm eying for possible action. obtained it from a trader in Palestine years ago, slightly forgot about it after the ana(2) appeared. Are there any newer (better) sources around for this Osaka71 show?? It's probably my 2nd favorite PF gig, after the Rotterdam date earlier that year.

Shamil
10-22-2013, 06:35 AM
No it hasn't been posted up to Y (it hasn't even been mentioned). Would contact with the well known collector be possible?

Traded for a "3/19/70" tape before. I forget the exact contents, but I remember that it was some high-pitched fragments from a poor copy of Lund. I'd like to say that we never traded with that guy again after that disappointment, but we also obtained "Portland 1977" (fail--actually one of the Oakland or Anaheim sets) and a couple legitimate jewels from the same guy. One was an alt source of 1975/04/13 that was a complete version of the Prism LP source. I think there's better versions of that around now, but at the time that was a very rare item.

goldenband--your "Missing & elusive" thread got me thinking about some of these. Not exactly in the spirit of that original post (kind of the opposite, actually), but it is a fact that the quest for rare and uncirc stuff typically leads to a number of disappointments before something of value is uncovered. I'm actually not happy about being reminded about these past disappointments, so consider this a light kick to the shins buddy. :)

neonknight
10-22-2013, 06:51 AM
1971-08-09 ana(4)>cdr(0) is another set I'm eying for possible action. obtained it from a trader in Palestine years ago, slightly forgot about it after the ana(2) appeared. Are there any newer (better) sources around for this Osaka71 show?? It's probably my 2nd favorite PF gig, after the Rotterdam date earlier that year.

I have a 3rd gen from this date that might be worth a transfer. Perhaps you should torrent this one last and we can compare notes first? :D

gotta_be_crazy
10-22-2013, 11:07 AM
About the marbal's Dortmund tapes, they are in queue to upload, but I'm going by year, actually tomorrow I'll be starting with 1972. Shamil, if you want, I can start by seeding those Dortmund '81 shows. cheers!

nipote
10-22-2013, 01:05 PM
but we also obtained "Portland 1977"

For my trade experience, "Portland '77" was Oakland 1977-05-10

goldenband
10-22-2013, 06:24 PM
Some idiot (possibly me)

To paraphrase Mark Twain, I suspect rumors of your idiocy are highly exaggerated! :D


1977-01-29 ana(1)>cdr(2), ver 1
1977-01-29 ana(1)>md(0)>cdr(0), ver 2
1977-02-17 ana(1)>dat(0)
1977-02-18 ana(1)>dat(0)

Awesome, and I'm looking forward to your others as well. I think 1977-01-29 is probably the date from that list that's most acutely in need of a non-boot-sourced torrent. Does the minidisc version have anything to offer over the direct CDR transfer?


1970-11-13 ana(4)>cdr(0) was a major disappointment--it appears that my original CDR set off AT's tapes is actually NR'd (like the circulated copy mentioned a few hundred postings above), though I cannot imagine how that happened.

1972-04-27 ana(2)>dat(?) has the most bizarre-shaped waveform that I have ever seen. I am certain that it is not "NR'd" or any of the traditional methods of destruction, but bizarre all the same.. goldenband, I think I sent you a brief sample and a screencap of this when we were talking about it a few months ago--you know what I mean by 'bizarre'! Moving forward with the project anyway, as I was unable to obtain an alternate copy that did not have this same peculiarity.

1971-08-09 ana(4)>cdr(0) is another set I'm eying for possible action. obtained it from a trader in Palestine years ago, slightly forgot about it after the ana(2) appeared. Are there any newer (better) sources around for this Osaka71 show?? It's probably my 2nd favorite PF gig, after the Rotterdam date earlier that year.

1970-11-13, how bizarre! Should I contact AT and see if Neon can borrow his original tape? (EDIT: I'm friends with AT on Facebook, so I just went ahead and contacted him.) I have my unknown-gen tape which sounds somewhat better than the usual torrented copy.

1972-04-27 would be perhaps the highest priority of the whole bunch. Even with one channel deformed, it's still apt to be a big upgrade on all our tape sources for the full show (and the bad channel can be dropped if the master is mono, but I don't recall if that's the case).

1971-08-09 is a terrific show! There was a master or 1st gen released by Sigma (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?25662-Pink-Floyd-1971-08-09-OSAKA-1971-(Sigma-67)-New-low-gen-source) but it supposedly had a ton of NR. I downloaded it but don't remember what I thought (I'm at work and can't check).

BTW that torrent also mentions that 1972-03-13 Rec. 1 with an unedited Brain Damage and 1974-12-14 with a complete ACYL would be coming up; did those ever show up?


goldenband--your "Missing & elusive" thread got me thinking about some of these. Not exactly in the spirit of that original post (kind of the opposite, actually), but it is a fact that the quest for rare and uncirc stuff typically leads to a number of disappointments before something of value is uncovered. I'm actually not happy about being reminded about these past disappointments, so consider this a light kick to the shins buddy. :)

...and to quote the Rutles, "Ouch!" :D (Isn't this where we...)

neonknight
10-22-2013, 06:31 PM
1971-08-09 ....but it supposedly had a ton of NR.

Just played five seconds and it starts with the tell-tale underwater sound :facepalm:

neonknight
10-22-2013, 07:41 PM
Here's the first five minutes of my 3rd gen tape:

http://we.tl/Hoha7C6emy

Views appreciated please! The link will stop working on 29 October.

gotta_be_crazy
10-23-2013, 01:07 AM
You need to add this for 1972-01-23

http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16258-PF-1972-01-23-Southampton-from-collector-s-tape

best source so far till someone share a better source.

Shamil
10-23-2013, 06:58 AM
Awesome, and I'm looking forward to your others as well. I think 1977-01-29 is probably the date from that list that's most acutely in need of a non-boot-sourced torrent. Does the minidisc version have anything to offer over the direct CDR transfer?

They are actually from two different ana1 tapes. I seem to remember that I also had the next night from the same collectors, but my notes indicate there was some problem with those and, at any rate, I don't have them physically available anywhere. I've heard a sample of that 1/29-1/30 boot collection, typically dreadful stuff from these professional mutilators.


1970-11-13, how bizarre! Should I contact AT and see if Neon can borrow his original tape? (EDIT: I'm friends with AT on Facebook, so I just went ahead and contacted him.) I have my unknown-gen tape which sounds somewhat better than the usual torrented copy.

If he wouldn't be bothered, absolutely! Thanks, I didn't know if he was still collecting. I don't believe I've ever heard a better original source than that one, it's one of the few known-gens for that matter that I've run across. A few years ago my friend mentioned a 102min "low gen" (ed note: not more material, just slower than usual and duplicated GitC), but said it was comparable to anything else around for it, slightly better sound but worse speed troubles. Any new sources on that show might be of interest, we don't really have anything remarkable for it as it is.


1972-04-27 would be perhaps the highest priority of the whole bunch. Even with one channel deformed, it's still apt to be a big upgrade on all our tape sources for the full show (and the bad channel can be dropped if the master is mono, but I don't recall if that's the case).

I've been debating about how I wanted to proceed with that. I'm going to put forth the raw copy initially, and see what that stirs up. I used to be more adept with light tinkering, but I have since drifted into more of a puritanical austerity on the subject and my skills have lapsed as a result.

Shamil
10-23-2013, 07:14 AM
Here's the first five minutes of my 3rd gen tape:

http://we.tl/Hoha7C6emy

Views appreciated please! The link will stop working on 29 October.

Grabbed it last night, and I just compared it with the ana2 copy and my ana4. Your sample definitely makes the one I was considering working with obsolete, so there's good news for me. Your tape has slightly more hiss than the ana2>dat, but much better high end sound overall(*). Still has the same peculiar, boomy nature to the sound, which will owe entirely to the venue and the mic positioning and not any analog generation. My verdict?--I think this date would benefit greatly from a proper rendering on your superb system, if you have the time to add this to an already-full plate. :)


(*) we seem to be noticing that with a lot of these recent comparisons--'slightly more hiss' is not always indicative of a worse-sounding recording!

neonknight
10-23-2013, 11:08 PM
I think this date would benefit greatly from a proper rendering on your superb system, if you have the time to add this to an already-full plate.

I have just completed the transfer. The temptation of working on a pre-1972 date was too great and I couldn't resist spending a spare evening on it. It was fiddly but worth it. My tapes run fast but possibly not as fast as the usual source. On a quick head-to-head with the 2nd gen, the opening to my source is notably warmer (typical up against DAT) and closer. A striking example of how two sources can sound quite different. I will be seeking advice from goldenband on the speed shortly.

goldenband
10-24-2013, 09:10 PM
I have just completed the transfer. The temptation of working on a pre-1972 date was too great and I couldn't resist spending a spare evening on it. It was fiddly but worth it. My tapes run fast but possibly not as fast as the usual source. On a quick head-to-head with the 2nd gen, the opening to my source is notably warmer (typical up against DAT) and closer. A striking example of how two sources can sound quite different. I will be seeking advice from goldenband on the speed shortly.

:D

To my ears it runs a bit fast (but only mildly), and after a -2.5% speed adjustment it seems right on. Nice-sounding source too!

neonknight
10-24-2013, 09:12 PM
:D

To my ears it runs a bit fast (but only mildly), and after a -2.5% speed adjustment it seems right on. Nice-sounding source too!

I'm just starting to upload the whole thing for your to review - hope that's OK. Fingers crossed a global speed correction will be appropriate. :D

goldenband
10-25-2013, 02:17 AM
I'm just starting to upload the whole thing for your to review - hope that's OK. Fingers crossed a global speed correction will be appropriate. :D

As it turns out (and as I emailed you), that part of the tape seems to be the only part that runs fast! I'll double-check more carefully, but the rest of it is right on or very close, so I wouldn't bother with a correction.

neonknight
10-25-2013, 06:48 AM
As it turns out (and as I emailed you), that part of the tape seems to be the only part that runs fast! I'll double-check more carefully, but the rest of it is right on or very close, so I wouldn't bother with a correction.

That's very good news. I'll prepare the 24/96 and 16/44 and upload both soon.

goldenband
10-26-2013, 02:58 AM
The mp3 sourced master transfer of rec 2 (not 1 btw) is seeded now. The low gen was called flawed because of the issues which are mentioned in the description (blank spaces and skips with missing material).

Thanks very much for that (1977-06-19 Rec. 2). The weird thing is, the problems I spotted in the "flawed low-gen" and siege72's composite are also in the MP3 master (which runs slow, BTW). In other words, these skips are all the same:

Sheep:
- flawed low-gen: 5:08
- siege72's composite: 5:04
- MP3 master: 5:05

Pigs (3DO):
- flawed low-gen: 13:06, 13:10 (song is split into two parts)
- siege72's composite: 17:58, 18:02
- MP3 master: 17:50, 17:54

Money: (this one's subtle but check 3:30 - 3:35 in Rec. 1 and you'll hear that a beat is missing)
- flawed low-gen: 3:57
- siege72's composite: 3:57
- MP3 master: 4:03

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think these are analog edits -- they sound like digital errors (skips) to me. If the master were a reel-to-reel, I'd be open to the possibility that they were tape splices to repair damage, but on a cassette that seems very unlikely.

Could the "flawed low-gen" have been made from a CDR of the master with digital errors -- or just dubbed from the MP3 master itself? Something seems fishy here.

Bert13
10-27-2013, 12:01 AM
1972-02-17 Rainbow Theatre, London: cass[Master] > Hi-Fi > DAT(4) > CDR(?)

Don't think it has ever been discussed on this board but on this transfer someone had the not so bright idea to simply cut out a few spots of static/diginoise during Time, One Of These Days and Echoes. Does anyone have a transfer with these spots intact or better still, one which is clean?

Shamil
10-27-2013, 04:10 AM
Don't think it has ever been discussed on this board but on this transfer someone had the not so bright idea to simply cut out a few spots of static/diginoise during Time, One Of These Days and Echoes. Does anyone have a transfer with these spots intact or better still, one which is clean?

I do have an intact transfer (that is, noise intact), and I was probably also the source of the cuts. The collector I originally sent it to around 2001(?)--finicky devil--requested--nay, almost demanded--to have the hifi-noise sections cut out, knowing full well the implications. I did so only on the condition that he not trade it out after. Fat lot of good that did, apparently. I didn't really like the idea at the time, and now I regret it greatly. That was never meant to be traded out, for precisely this reason.

As it turns out, I made a fresh transfer of my DAT on my SCSI setup earlier this year, give me a few days and I'll put something together here.

The hifi noise will be there, AFAIK originating to this particular source and was present in all the notes and lists I saw in the late 1990s/early 2000s when I obtained my copy. COPIES, I should say--I first assumed the hifi noise was a cloning problem and obtained 3 different copies from different collectors within a month or so, all with the same problem spots.
However, there are at least two other low gen sources for it that should be clean--a 90min ana1 transferred to CDR (missing STC--and maybe another track?--if I remember correctly), and a 115min ana1 on DAT, both not from the hifi source, and possibly also a 2nd gen on CDR. Never bothered obtaining any of those when I had the chance, and I don't know if they're still around in the collections of any active collectors.

goldenband
10-27-2013, 05:21 PM
January 1972 has a couple blank spots right now, so let's see:

1972-01-21 The Guildhall, Portsmouth, Hampshire: ?
1972-01-22 Wintergardens, Bournemouth, UK
Recorder 1: Live At Wintergardens - [rec 1, 3rd gen] (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?28473-RESEED-Pink-Floyd-1972-01-22-Live-At-Wintergardens-rec-1-3rd-gen&highlight=wintergardens)
Recorder 2: ?
1972-01-23 The Guildhall, Southampton, Hampshire: Southampton [from collector's tape] (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?16258-PF-1972-01-23-Southampton-from-collector-s-tape)

For 1972-01-21, what's the best option? Wasn't there a 2nd gen around? I don't seem able to find it.

For 1972-01-22 Rec. 2, it appears that all we have on the tracker is the Reeling in Pink Floyd version -- which some have speculated is lower-gen than Eclipse of the Dark Side, but is allegedly mangled by processing -- and the "Spectre edit" of Eclipse of the Dark Side (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?18730-1972-01-22-Wintergardens-Bournemouth-(Rec-2)-Reseeded), which repairs some gaps but also uses "light dehissing". Do we have the raw version of Eclipse of the Dark Side on the tracker? That seems likely to be the best option.

Also, a couple more. First, an update to a February 1972 date:


1972-02-12 City Hall, Sheffield, Yorkshire, UK: unknown gen [Marbal] (complete Echoes) [24-48] (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31931-Pink-Floyd-1972-02-12-S2-unknown-gen-Marbal-(complete-Echoes)-24-48)

And I haven't downloaded it yet, but based on Bert13's commentary, let's purge the old source for 1975-06-12 Rec. 2 with fire :D and bring in the new and improved:


1975-06-12

Recorder 2: Philadelphia - Recorder 2 (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31940-1975-06-12-or-13-Pink-Floyd-Philadelphia-Recorder-2) from unknown gen. cassette

Bert13
10-27-2013, 05:38 PM
[LIST] 1972-01-21 The Guildhall, Portsmouth, Hampshire: ?

For 1972-01-21, what's the best option? Wasn't there a 2nd gen around? I don't seem able to find it.

The only available version of this is Highland's Eclipsed By The Moon which is another crappy NR'd RoIO in need of replacement. A 2nd gen has never been torrented.

Bert13
10-27-2013, 06:04 PM
For 1972-01-22 Rec. 2, it appears that all we have on the tracker is the Reeling in Pink Floyd version -- which some have speculated is lower-gen than Eclipse of the Dark Side, but is allegedly mangled by processing -- and the "Spectre edit" of Eclipse of the Dark Side (http://www.yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?18730-1972-01-22-Wintergardens-Bournemouth-(Rec-2)-Reseeded), which repairs some gaps but also uses "light dehissing". Do we have the raw version of Eclipse of the Dark Side on the tracker? That seems likely to be the best option.

I can't find the original Gold Star Eclipse Of The Dark Side RoIO on the tracker. Seems like it's never been torrented here.

goldenband
10-27-2013, 06:20 PM
The only available version of this is Highland's Eclipsed By The Moon which is another crappy NR'd RoIO in need of replacement. A 2nd gen has never been torrented.

Huh, I had it in my mind as "a thing I should download when I get around to it", if that makes sense. Regardless, if someone has the 2nd gen, that'd be great to have.


I can't find the original Gold Star Eclipse Of The Dark Side RoIO on the tracker. Seems like it's never been torrented here.

It might've been torrented before the server went kablooey sometime in 2006/2007. I have a copy and can check whether my notes indicate its source; I suspect it's SHN, so it's probably worth converting to FLAC (and possibly repairing the silence gaps) before torrenting.

goldenband
10-27-2013, 07:19 PM
Spotted a missing date:

1975-06-20 Three Rivers Stadium, Pittsburgh, PA (Sam Marshall): Untitled (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10809-Pink-Floyd-1975-06-20-Pittsburgh-PA-(non-spc)) (from unknown-gen tape), or goldenband's speed-corrected version (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?2991-Pink-Floyd-1975-06-20-Three-Rivers-Stadium-Pittsburgh-PA-(speed-corrected))
There's also another cluster of shows with no suggestions, in April 1972:

1972-04-20 Syria Mosque Theatre, Pittsburgh, PA
1972-04-23 Music Hall, Cincinatti, OH: 3rd gen (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?28576-Pink-Floyd_Ohio-1972-04-23-(16bit-44kHz)) transferred by Neonknight and mastered by Littlepieces, and/or Mad For *@#%@#! Years (R&D) (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30684-Reseed-Pink-Floyd-1972-04-23-Mad-For-*-!-Years&highlight=years) from 1st gen
1972-04-27 Ford Auditorium, Detroit, MI
For 1972-04-20, all I can find is different versions of the same source of unknown lineage, most recently this one (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?30749-Reseed-Pink-Floyd-1972-04-20-Syria-Mosque-Theatre). We actually have several active torrents with what appear to be the same material. Can we do any better than that version, or is that it?

For 1972-04-23, I wasn't able to find a 24/96 version of the 3rd gen -- was there one? I see a CDR in the lineage, but somehow I had the idea it had been done in 24/96 too. I also don't know the version called "High in the Middle".

For 1972-04-27, for the moment I guess War with Pandora (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?2280-PF-1972-04-27-quot-War-with-Pandora-quot) is the best choice, but I think Shamil's upcoming torrent may obsolete the War in the Head tracks. Either way, the two Pandora's Box tracks will (after speed correction) still be the best-sounding copies from that recorder. (EDIT: And listening to War in the Head & Pandora's Box, I believe this source is mono, so Shamil's source -- which has a channel with a really weird sound/spectrum -- is likely to be a strong contender since we can drop the bad channel if need be.)

goldenband
10-27-2013, 10:04 PM
It might've been torrented before the server went kablooey sometime in 2006/2007. I have a copy and can check whether my notes indicate its source; I suspect it's SHN, so it's probably worth converting to FLAC (and possibly repairing the silence gaps) before torrenting.

I just checked my copy of Eclipse of the Dark Side, and though the notes don't specify an author, they sound a lot more Yeeshkul-ish than Dimeadozen/Traders Den-ish. (I think they're by littlesheep/ygbc.) I didn't spot a silence gap, but the Bournemouth tracks do run a bit slow and it'd be nice to fix that.

Bert13
10-27-2013, 10:08 PM
I just checked my copy of Eclipse of the Dark Side, and though the notes don't specify an author, they sound a lot more Yeeshkul-ish than Dimeadozen/Traders Den-ish. (I think they're by littlesheep/ygbc.) I didn't spot a silence gap, but the Bournemouth tracks do run a bit slow and it'd be nice to fix that.

My copy is from July 2005, most probably from the old Yeeshkul tracker. I think gbc (not ygbc) torrented it originally in 2004.

Shamil
10-28-2013, 02:28 AM
January 1972 has a couple blank spots right now, so let's see:

1972-01-21 The Guildhall, Portsmouth, Hampshire: ?
For 1972-01-21, what's the best option? Wasn't there a 2nd gen around? I don't seem able to find it.


Somebody really should do something about that...

http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31947-Pink-Floyd-1972-01-21-Portsmouth-2nd-gen-16-44-1

goldenband
10-28-2013, 02:32 AM
Somebody really should do something about that...

http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?31947-Pink-Floyd-1972-01-21-Portsmouth-2nd-gen-16-44-1

Ha, awesome! :D Thanks very much, can't wait to hear it.

matt_twism
10-28-2013, 09:17 AM
Spotted a missing date:

1975-06-20 Three Rivers Stadium, Pittsburgh, PA (Sam Marshall): Untitled (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?10809-Pink-Floyd-1975-06-20-Pittsburgh-PA-(non-spc)) (from unknown-gen tape), or goldenband's speed-corrected version (http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?2991-Pink-Floyd-1975-06-20-Three-Rivers-Stadium-Pittsburgh-PA-(speed-corrected))

And also another missing gem from the list:

1975-06-28 Ivor Wynne Stadium, Hamilton, ON, Canada
LINEAGE: Unknown Mics>Master Reel>DAT>Sony TCD-D7>HD>WAV>FLAC http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread.php?20610-Pink-Floyd-1975-06-28-Master-Reel-Ontario-(RTR-DAT-Source-2)-(flac)