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goa
12-17-2011, 02:11 PM
Rush : Sector sets doubt

http://www.amazon.com/Sector-1-Rush/dp/B005ORVMT2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1324133439&sr=8-4

just wondering, the rest of albums will be released lately as DVD-Audio too, or only the three, one in each Sector box?

zososhane69
12-18-2011, 02:14 AM
Ya know I was thinking same thing. If they sell well suddenly blu rays of each album! Not that I'll mind, bought the catalog 4 times I think already.

These sets are BY FAR the best the Rush catalog has sounded. Definitley a must!

goa
12-18-2011, 06:26 PM
http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=264983

more than 20 pages to read :lol:

several negative issues it seems.

jimfisheye
12-19-2011, 06:03 PM
Holy conflicting information Batman!

Anyone know actual the details here?
Are all the albums available in 24/96 stereo? (as suggested by "all transferred to high resolution 96kHz/24-bit"). Or is there really only one album in each set and the rest are lossy coasters (as suggested by "Limited six disc (five CDs + DVD) box set")?
They were clear that there would only be one bonus 5.1 remix in the box. Very unclear on weather the set would contain 5 albums in stereo 24/96 or just one though.

Any Rush fans around here know the details? Is this for real or another bs CD set?

Novak
12-21-2011, 06:01 AM
My BELIEF is that it is simply the albums collected together into three sets as standard (albeit 'remastered' and repackaged) CD's, with a book and one album remastered into a Hi-res DVD-A, with the gimick that all three sets, when placed next to one another look like flight case.

The Rush Fan in me wants to buy them. The CD collector in me wants to buy them.

The cynic in me say's "Ahhhhh. Another band trying to boost CD sales before the format collapses completely."

I don't think these sets (or the Floyd ones, Led Zep Ones, Who ones, Tull ones, Genesis, Radiohead etc etc etc) are a rip off. They are are all good ways to obtain a collection rapidly in a neat package. When looked at in this way they are great value for money.

However, and I realise that I will likely be shunned as a heathen and unbeliever for saying this, but if you've followed any of these bands and love the songs anyway, in the end there is nothing here. It's like watching THE PHANTOM MENACE in 3D!! Yeah, it looks great, but in the end, it's THE PHANTOM MENACE.

I'm just talking from my end of things really and what turns me on, but the recordings on these albums, for me, has always been great sounding. I've never had a critism about 'the sound'. I've never heard yet a remaster that made me change my mind about a song, album or band.

I will liely buy these as I want them. Simple as that. It's heart thing; A desire for an object. My head says it's pointless, but since when has everything got to have a good point?

Cheers, Novak

goa
12-21-2011, 03:19 PM
I will post some DR comparisons with older CD editions...but as an advance, I could say I checked some 80's Bryan Adams (yeah, I like some of his :lol: ) , and the DR in Into The fire is 15!!!! ...and some Rush Albums in this 2011 edition are in DR 7 ...what a shame.

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Before buying, wait a second batch error-free is made (same for DSOTM and WYWH Immersions, you know what I'm talkin' about!!!)

jimfisheye
12-21-2011, 05:52 PM
OK, doing some math here...
5 albums of stereo 24/96 program would be about 8GB of data. A 5.1 album would be another 4GB. MLP compression would cut that in half. So 6GB or so of data would be needed.
Did they really make a dual layer DVDA disc with 5 stereo album mixes and 1 5.1 album mix all in 24/96?
I'd buy that in a second! Use the 5 CD's for coasters or something (just like the Floyd boxes!)

Knowing the bs the record companies are pulling these days though I fear they did something like this:
5 albums mastered at 24/96!
Only one actually included in the box!

Anyone actually have this? I see no comments about the content in any review. 5 Rush albums at 24/96 for $50 is a good deal to me but I'd insist on a full refund if it showed up with only one album remaster.

zososhane69
12-21-2011, 07:46 PM
I have all three.To my blown out ears they sound better than ever. All sets claim the 24/96 transfers on even the non DVD disc. Again, I always thought a cd was limited to like 16/24 unless its a blu ray or DVD -A.

IMHO I worship all things Rush and this set is a must. Just seems we keep getting incorrect or lacking info which just leads to more mystery!

pickard11
12-21-2011, 09:11 PM
I read on a Rush blog that all the albums will be released by HD Tracks in 24/96 sometime next year. I do hope that is true!

jimfisheye
12-21-2011, 09:40 PM
I have all three.To my blown out ears they sound better than ever. All sets claim the 24/96 transfers on even the non DVD disc. Again, I always thought a cd was limited to like 16/24 unless its a blu ray or DVD -A.

IMHO I worship all things Rush and this set is a must. Just seems we keep getting incorrect or lacking info which just leads to more mystery!

CD can only be 16/44.1. It could be a lossy copy of the 24/96 remaster but not an actual copy. Anyway, my burning question is: Does the DVD have the stereo 24/96 masters for all 5 albums in each set?

goa
12-21-2011, 09:51 PM
JFE@ man!!!

even I from Chile understand what this set is about:
each Box-Sector is 5 CD and 1 DVD-A of one of the albums of that box.
That appears in each site where this is selling :D


My question was if in the future ALL Rush albums wiil be publisshed in DVD-A or Blu-Rays or whatever HD media.

As you could read, my question means at this moment, only three albums have recieved a HD-multichannel treatment (FBN, FTK and Signals)

goa
12-23-2011, 10:43 AM
DR shows loudness war and horrible compression :(

First goes older CD versions and then the 2011 Sector box sets edition

My most loved Rush albums.


A Farewell To Kings (1977) "old edition"
Mercury 822546-2 M-1
Made in Germany

foobar2000 1.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.0
log date: 2011-12-22 08:34:24

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Analyzed: ? / ?
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR12 -0.40 dB -16.11 dB 5:55 01-CD Track 01
DR12 -0.80 dB -15.64 dB 11:11 02-CD Track 02
DR14 -0.72 dB -19.81 dB 2:56 03-CD Track 03
DR14 -0.85 dB -17.57 dB 4:24 04-CD Track 04
DR14 -3.32 dB -22.12 dB 2:36 05-CD Track 05
DR10 -0.60 dB -15.14 dB 10:26 06-CD Track 06
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Number of tracks: 6
Official DR value: DR13

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1411 kbps
Codec: CDDA
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foobar2000 1.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.0
log date: 2011-12-22 08:37:30

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Analyzed: Rush / A Farewell To Kings (2011 edition)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR8 -0.10 dB -10.60 dB 5:56 01-A Farewell To Kings
DR7 -0.05 dB -10.13 dB 11:09 02-Xanadu
DR9 -0.05 dB -12.69 dB 2:56 03-Closer To The Heart
DR9 -0.05 dB -11.02 dB 4:23 04-Cinderella Man
DR13 -0.40 dB -17.58 dB 2:36 05-Madrigal
DR7 -0.10 dB -10.57 dB 10:26 06-Cygnus X-1 (Book One - The Voyage)
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Number of tracks: 6
Official DR value: DR9

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 873 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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Hemispheres (1978) "old edition"
Mercury 822 547 M-1
Made in Germany


foobar2000 1.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.0
log date: 2011-12-22 08:48:01

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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR14 -0.40 dB -16.96 dB 18:08 01-CD Track 01 Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres
DR13 -0.75 dB -15.52 dB 3:45 02-CD Track 02 Circumstances
DR13 -0.92 dB -17.46 dB 4:45 03-CD Track 03 The Trees
DR14 -0.40 dB -16.98 dB 9:36 04-CD Track 04 La Villa Strangiato (An Exercise In Self-Indulgence)
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Number of tracks: 4
Official DR value: DR13

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1411 kbps
Codec: CDDA
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foobar2000 1.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.0
log date: 2011-12-22 12:44:48

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Analyzed: Rush / Hemispheres (2011 edition)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR9 -0.10 dB -11.41 dB 18:08 01-Cygnus X-1 Book II: Hemispheres
DR8 -0.10 dB -9.49 dB 3:45 02-Circumstances
DR8 -0.10 dB -11.20 dB 4:45 03-The Trees
DR8 -0.10 dB -10.66 dB 9:35 04-La Villa Strangiato (An Exercise In Self-Indulgence)
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Number of tracks: 4
Official DR value: DR8

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 935 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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goa
12-23-2011, 10:50 AM
Now, the three classic live albums

The first one is compared to the CD made at the end of 90's series of remasters...as you could guess, for that case the difference in DR is not that much!!!...loudness war was starting...


All The World's A Stage (1976) Thge Rush Remasters edition (around 1997)
Mercury 534 627-2
Made in Germany

foobar2000 1.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.0
log date: 2011-12-22 09:13:24

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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR10 -0.20 dB -11.62 dB 4:58 01-CD Track 01 Bastille Day
DR10 -0.20 dB -11.92 dB 4:56 02-CD Track 02 Anthem
DR10 -0.20 dB -11.24 dB 5:04 03-CD Track 03 Fly By Night / In The Mood
DR9 -0.20 dB -11.37 dB 4:03 04-CD Track 04 Something For Nothing
DR10 -0.20 dB -12.68 dB 5:04 05-CD Track 05 Lakeside Park
DR10 -0.19 dB -12.77 dB 15:50 06-CD Track 06 2112
DR10 -0.19 dB -12.19 dB 11:58 07-CD Track 07 By-Tor And The Snow Dog
DR9 -0.20 dB -12.55 dB 7:13 08-CD Track 08 In The End
DR10 -0.20 dB -12.24 dB 14:56 09-CD Track 09 Working Man / Finding My Way
DR9 -0.20 dB -11.02 dB 5:40 10-CD Track 10 What You're Doing
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Number of tracks: 10
Official DR value: DR10

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1411 kbps
Codec: CDDA
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foobar2000 1.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.0
log date: 2011-12-22 12:42:15

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Analyzed: Rush / All The World's A Stage (2011 edition)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR9 -0.05 dB -10.57 dB 4:58 01-Bastille Day
DR9 -0.05 dB -10.91 dB 4:56 02-Anthem
DR9 -0.05 dB -9.93 dB 5:04 03-Fly By Night / In The Mood
DR7 -0.05 dB -9.03 dB 4:03 04-Something For Nothing
DR9 -0.05 dB -10.76 dB 5:04 05-Lakeside Park
DR9 -0.05 dB -11.15 dB 15:50 06-2112
DR8 -0.05 dB -10.52 dB 11:58 07-By-Tor And The Snow Dog
DR7 0.00 dB -10.37 dB 7:07 08-In The End
DR7 -0.05 dB -9.27 dB 15:02 09-Working Man / Finding My Way
DR6 -0.05 dB -7.89 dB 5:47 10-What You're Doing
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Number of tracks: 10
Official DR value: DR8

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 950 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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Exit...Stage Left (1981) "old edition"
Mercury 822 551 M-1
Made in USA

foobar2000 1.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.0
log date: 2011-12-22 12:37:11

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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR14 -2.20 dB -17.58 dB 5:14 01-CD Track 01 The Spirit Of Radio
DR14 -0.47 dB -16.44 dB 6:49 02-CD Track 02 Red Barchetta
DR13 -0.40 dB -16.69 dB 7:46 03-CD Track 03 YYZ
DR14 -0.76 dB -17.86 dB 3:09 04-CD Track 04 Closer To The Heart
DR14 -0.72 dB -16.59 dB 2:38 05-CD Track 05 Beneath, Between & Behind
DR15 -1.15 dB -19.20 dB 8:49 06-CD Track 06 Jacob's Ladder
DR12 -14.51 dB -28.55 dB 1:37 07-CD Track 07 Broon's Bane
DR14 0.00 dB -17.34 dB 4:50 08-CD Track 08 The Trees
DR14 -0.44 dB -17.62 dB 12:11 09-CD Track 09 Xanadu
DR14 0.00 dB -14.89 dB 5:34 10-CD Track 10 Freewill
DR13 0.00 dB -15.66 dB 5:04 11-CD Track 11 Tom Sawyer
DR13 -1.52 dB -17.20 dB 9:39 12-CD Track 12 La Villa Strangiato
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Number of tracks: 12
Official DR value: DR14

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1411 kbps
Codec: CDDA
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foobar2000 1.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.0
log date: 2011-12-22 12:46:02

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Analyzed: Rush / Exit...Stage Left (2011 edition)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR7 -0.05 dB -8.48 dB 5:13 01-The Spirit Of Radio
DR6 -0.05 dB -7.91 dB 6:49 02-Red Barchetta
DR5 -0.05 dB -7.85 dB 7:45 03-YYZ
DR5 -0.05 dB -6.93 dB 3:46 04-A Passage To Bangkok
DR5 -0.05 dB -6.79 dB 3:09 05-Closer To The Heart
DR5 -0.05 dB -6.32 dB 2:35 06-Beneath, Between & Behind
DR5 -0.05 dB -8.68 dB 8:48 07-Jacob's Ladder
DR11 -3.91 dB -18.87 dB 1:37 08-Broon's Bane
DR5 -0.05 dB -7.97 dB 4:50 09-The Trees
DR6 -0.05 dB -8.18 dB 12:10 10-Xanadu
DR6 -0.05 dB -6.77 dB 5:33 11-Freewill
DR6 -0.05 dB -7.37 dB 5:01 12-Tom Sawyer
DR8 -0.05 dB -9.92 dB 9:37 13-La Villa Strangiato
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Number of tracks: 13
Official DR value: DR6 :mad:

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 964 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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A Show Of Hands (1989) original edition
Mercury 836 346-2
Made in USA

foobar2000 1.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.0
log date: 2011-12-22 12:40:36

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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR12 -7.42 dB -23.85 dB 0:53 01-CD Track 01 Intro
DR13 -0.48 dB -15.29 dB 5:59 02-CD Track 02 The Big Money
DR14 -0.20 dB -14.95 dB 5:23 03-CD Track 03 Subdivisions
DR13 -0.20 dB -15.18 dB 6:40 04-CD Track 04 Marathon
DR13 -0.47 dB -14.67 dB 4:41 05-CD Track 05 Turn The Page
DR12 -0.61 dB -15.29 dB 5:19 06-CD Track 06 Manhattan Project
DR13 -0.25 dB -14.69 dB 5:47 07-CD Track 07 Mission
DR14 -0.20 dB -15.32 dB 5:16 08-CD Track 08 Distant Early Warning
DR13 -0.20 dB -15.04 dB 5:34 09-CD Track 09 Mystic Rhythms
DR13 -0.55 dB -15.62 dB 3:59 10-CD Track 10 Witch Hunt
DR13 -0.20 dB -16.41 dB 4:38 11-CD Track 11 The Rhythm Method (Drum Solo)
DR13 -0.20 dB -14.90 dB 4:58 12-CD Track 12 Force Ten
DR14 -0.20 dB -15.93 dB 5:12 13-CD Track 13 Time Stand Still
DR14 -0.40 dB -16.11 dB 5:18 14-CD Track 14 Red Sector A
DR13 -0.21 dB -16.12 dB 4:55 15-CD Track 15 Closer To The Heart
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Number of tracks: 15
Official DR value: DR13

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 1411 kbps
Codec: CDDA
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foobar2000 1.1 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.0
log date: 2011-12-22 12:47:08

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Analyzed: Rush / A Show Of Hands (2011 edition)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR11 -1.41 dB -17.95 dB 0:53 01-Intro
DR8 -0.05 dB -9.25 dB 5:58 02-The Big Money
DR7 -0.05 dB -8.29 dB 5:22 03-Subdivisions
DR7 -0.05 dB -8.56 dB 6:39 04-Marathon
DR7 -0.05 dB -8.36 dB 4:40 05-Turn The Page
DR7 -0.05 dB -8.97 dB 5:19 06-Manhattan Project
DR7 -0.05 dB -8.42 dB 5:46 07-Mission
DR9 -0.05 dB -9.81 dB 5:15 08-Distant Early Warning
DR8 -0.05 dB -8.89 dB 5:33 09-Mystic Rhythms
DR8 -0.05 dB -9.61 dB 3:58 10-Witch Hunt
DR7 -0.05 dB -9.72 dB 4:37 11-The Rhythm Method (Drum Solo)
DR8 0.00 dB -9.61 dB 4:55 12-Force Ten
DR9 -0.05 dB -10.20 dB 5:13 13-Time Stand Still
DR9 -0.05 dB -10.20 dB 5:18 14-Red Sector A
DR8 -0.05 dB -10.30 dB 4:53 15-Closer To The Heart
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Number of tracks: 15
Official DR value: DR8

Samplerate: 44100 Hz
Channels: 2
Bits per sample: 16
Bitrate: 998 kbps
Codec: FLAC
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jimfisheye
12-26-2011, 04:28 AM
OK, I was able to preview these...

Do not spend any money on this set. Bootleg quality + bait and switch.
First, I was unfortunately correct with my sarcastic guess.
5 albums mastered at 24/96!
Only one actually included in the box!
So these are more like deluxe remasters for 3 albums: FBN, AFTK & Signals and then CD copies of the other albums thrown in. I wouldn't make these kind of comments if this was just billed as a CD set. I also don't just expect to find everything available in high res. They made the point of talking this up and then flat out didn't deliver.

Alright then... let's listen to AFTK in 24/96! Should be awesome! ... It should not be distorted and hurting my ears! Um... My old vinyl copy that went thru high school with me sounds strikingly better. Ya know, I'm not even interested in hearing the 5.1 remix after this.
We were treated very very well with the 2 Floyd remasters compared to this!

Ha ha... Merry Xmas everyone!

goa
12-27-2011, 12:30 AM
nice and fast analysis JFE.

All I can say is the CDs are incredible compressed compared to the supposed older shitty CDs!!!
:(

zososhane69
12-27-2011, 01:52 AM
Kings is my fav Rush album too and the DVD-A is the best thing in the entire set. Xanadu was literally like re-imagining it. You won't be dissapointed in that one!


OK, I was able to preview these...

Do not spend any money on this set. Bootleg quality + bait and switch.
First, I was unfortunately correct with my sarcastic guess.
5 albums mastered at 24/96!
Only one actually included in the box!
So these are more like deluxe remasters for 3 albums: FBN, AFTK & Signals and then CD copies of the other albums thrown in. I wouldn't make these kind of comments if this was just billed as a CD set. I also don't just expect to find everything available in high res. They made the point of talking this up and then flat out didn't deliver.

Alright then... let's listen to AFTK in 24/96! Should be awesome! ... It should not be distorted and hurting my ears! Um... My old vinyl copy that went thru high school with me sounds strikingly better. Ya know, I'm not even interested in hearing the 5.1 remix after this.
We were treated very very well with the 2 Floyd remasters compared to this!

Ha ha... Merry Xmas everyone!