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    Like the subject says, what recorders have only shown up on commercial boots? And for which shows are the boot sources still the best known source (barring any clean-up)?

    I was idly compiling a list the other day, and came up with the following for 1967-1977, but I'm not sure whether I might be missing any, or whether tapes have shown up for some. Thoughts on the below are welcomed.

    1970-03-12 Audimax, Hamburg, West Germany - all circulating recordings come from the Big Pink LP and its clones

    1970-04-29 Filmore West, San Francisco, CA - last time I checked, the best-sounding source for Rec. 1 was still the Interstellar Encore CD (and its descendants, e.g. Interstellar Fillmore)

    1970-10-23 Civic Center, Santa Monica, CA - Rec. 2 is exclusive to LP sources like the double-LP Live (TMOQ/Dittolino) and its re-issue Cymbaline

    1970-11-22 Altes Casino, Montreux, Switzerland - I know the HRV release for 1970-11-22 uses Smoking Blues as its source; is there anything on "The Fireman's Tapes" that's not on SB?

    1970-11-28 Saarbrucken (aka 1970-11-11 Gothenburg) - exclusive to the Pictures of Pink Floyd LP; the "W. tape source" sounds worse than the LP and has no unique content

    1971-02-25 Grosser Saal Musikhalle, Hamburg, West Germany - I believe a reel with the last part of the concert survives, but the rest is exclusive to the M-502 LP and its descendants

    1971-02-26 Stadthalle, Offenbach, West Germany - Rec. 2 is exclusive to the Pictures of Pink Floyd LP AFAIK

    1971-04-03 Oude Ahoy Hallen, Rotterdam, Holland - I know of no tape sources for Rec. 1, aka the better-sounding source that's exclusive to various LPs

    1971-08-06 Hakone Aphrodite, Japan - the recorder used on Aphrodite REV A.K., Echoes of Japanese Meddle, et al. comes from a very rare Japanese LP, Peace Record

    1971-09-18 Montreux - is there any circulating non-boot source of the FM broadcast?

    1971-11-10 Pavillon de la Jeunesse, Quebec, Canada - is there any tape source out there that's better than the Labyrinths or Quebec City 1971 CDs? (Interestingly, those two releases sound almost identical, suggesting that they used the same source tape...)

    1972-02-20 Rainbow Theatre, London - all copies of the EX+ recording are sourced from the Best of Tour 72 LP

    1972-03-07 Taiikukan, Tokyo, Japan - the incomplete Rec. 3 is exclusive to Missing Pieces, and Tokyo 1972 2nd Night is the only source for Rec. 4. Meanwhile is the Live in Tokyo CD (Zeus) still the best source for Rec. 1 of this?

    1972-03-08 Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan - Rec. 3 (the KP339-KP344 LP and Osaka Triple recorder) and Rec. 5 (the Missing Pieces recorder, Echoes only) are exclusive to boots

    1972-03-09 Festival Hall, Osaka, Japan - boot-exclusive are Rec. 2 (ASOS only, on KP339-KP344 LP and Osaka Triple) and Rec. 3 (also ASOS only, on Missing Pieces with NR and 1972 Japan Chronicles without)

    1972-03-13 Nakajima Sports Center, Sapporo, Hokkaido, Japan - Rec. 3 (Missing Pieces recorder with AHM only; Missing Pieces Special Bonus CDR version has no NR) is only found on bootlegs

    1972-04-27 Ford Auditorium, Detroit, MI - another show where tape sources seem few and far between, and none sound as good as the speed-corrected Pandora's Box tracks, or even the War in the Head LP

    1972-05-21 Insel Grun, Germersheim, Germany - have any tape sources of the Double Bubble LP recorder emerged?

    1972-09-22 Hollywood Bowl, Los Angeles, CA - the Cracked LP source still hasn't shown up on tape, right? EDIT: This was taped by Rob Wizardo, who apparently still has the master reel (?).

    1972-09-23 Winterland Auditorium, San Francisco, CA - AFAIK, there are no circulating sources for this date except the Winterland 1972 boot CD

    1973-11-04 Rainbow Theatre, London, England (late show) - I've seen various tapes with alleged lineages, but I know of no better-sounding version of Rec. 1 than the Obscured at the Rainbow CD

    1974-11-19 Trentham Gardens - we still have no tape sources of the first set, correct?

    1977-01-23 Westfallenhalle, Dortmund - Recorder 2 is exclusive to Wish The Animals Were Here

    1977-01-27 Festhalle, Frankfurt - from what I understand, the LP source is still the best-sounding choice for this show; it's not clear to me if genuine tapes are around of that recorder
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    Radio broadcast of 9-18-1971?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lennyif View Post
    Radio broadcast of 9-18-1971?
    Yep, my understanding is that the Live in Montreux 1971 CD and its clones (Black Wizard/White Witch, et al.) are taken from a recording of a FM broadcast...and that stereo master tapes of the broadcast allegedly survive.

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    1971-09-18 was always an excellent AUD, but was never SBD recorded or broadcast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creamcheese View Post
    1971-09-18 was always an excellent AUD, but was never SBD recorded or broadcast.
    You're correct that it's not a SBD recording per se, but according to Bert13 it was indeed a radio broadcast:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bert13
    The Montreux 9/18/71 show has been recorded and broadcast on Swiss Radio by Radio Suisse Romande, the recorder we're most familiar with (not the alternate recorder recently put up by Little Pieces) has been taped from the radio broadcast in mono but the original broadcast is stereo. The recording was made with open air microphones and is technically an audience recording. Don't PM me and ask me for any more information, because I can't give you any.

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    Yes it was broadcast on Swiss Radio, exact details of the broadcast are unknown to me. A friend who works for a small company in France which transfers tapes for some clients was involved in transferring the Radio Station's original Reels of the stereo recording at 7.5 IPS to digital at 24bit/96kHz a few years ago. The Radio Station used to record classical concerts, i.e. with no close miking (in other words open air miking). He couldn't share the whole show because it would have put his job on the line but he did send me one track in 16/44.1. Obviously, I can't make it public but hopefully the Radio Station will re-broadcast the whole show one day.
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    A lot of the best known sources for a lot of the Japan '72 shows are best represented by commercial boots.

    There's obviously the "Tokyo FM" source for Rec 2 of 1972-03-06, but for the 1972-03-07 show, the best sources are "Missing Pieces" (Sigma 34), and "Live in Tokyo 1972" on the Zeus label. It has also recently emerged that these are sourced from seperate recorders of said show.

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    12.3.70- circulating versions seem to be inevitably sourced, one way or another, from some iteration of the "Big Pink" LP (usually the 80s-era Rockwell and Goode issue).

    EDIT: I am not 100% sure but I think that this vinyl boot:http://floydboots.com/pages/k3.html

    has more of the recorder from which the bulk of it was made than any other circulating version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mister yuk View Post
    12.3.70- circulating versions seem to be inevitably sourced, one way or another, from some iteration of the "Big Pink" LP (usually the 80s-era Rockwell and Goode issue).

    EDIT: I am not 100% sure but I think that this vinyl boot:http://floydboots.com/pages/k3.html

    has more of the recorder from which the bulk of it was made than any other circulating version.
    Ooh, good catch -- indeed, I don't know of any tape source for the 1970-03-12 show. I'll add that & the 1977-03-15 LP source to the list, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PatGoD67 View Post
    A lot of the best known sources for a lot of the Japan '72 shows are best represented by commercial boots.

    There's obviously the "Tokyo FM" source for Rec 2 of 1972-03-06, but for the 1972-03-07 show, the best sources are "Missing Pieces" (Sigma 34), and "Live in Tokyo 1972" on the Zeus label. It has also recently emerged that these are sourced from seperate recorders of said show.
    Well, the "Tokyo FM" source has been around on MD, and I think a non-MD source emerged somewhere around here. But your comment about Missing Pieces rings a bell; I think the Zeus version of Rec. 1 is still the best, but with all the different recorders for those shows it's a bit of a maze.

    Agreed that the Japanese shows are often best on boot; IIRC, Home Again was the best known version of 1972-03-10. And then there's that mysterious ASOS from 1971-08-06 or 07, which I think originates from LP (?). I can't keep straight what's going on with 1971-08-06, there are recurrent comments about some vinyl source for Rec. 1 (the one with deep bass) but I don't know which LP it supposedly is!

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