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    Default Pink Floyd BBC radio sessions 1967-1971 - creating the best possible compilation

    The purpose of this thread is to identify the current best original and remastered sources for the various dates and make suggestions for how a researcher could improve upon them. I will amend it if folks would like to suggest corrections. Itís a work in progress.

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    Default 25 September 1967, Top Gear recording

    1. The Gnome - neonknight
    2. Scarecrow - 2010 MP3
    3. Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun - 2010 MP3
    4. Matilda Mother - neonknight
    5. Reaction In G - 2010 MP3
    6. Flaming - 2010 MP3

    2,3,5,6 - ask Ken Garner for help http://peel.wikia.com/wiki/Ken_Garner because he should have a tape. Ken got his tape from Bernie Andrews.
    1,4 - I mono’d these recordings and would happily hand my transfer over because I think it merits further work (although escapist did a very nice job if you would like to track down his restoration). The guy whom I got my tape from no longer has his cassette. His source is likely to still have his tape.
    3 - The 2005 rebroadcast, which would have also been lossy, does not sound as good as the MP3
    3,5,6 - HRV used the 2005 rebroadcast as their source for their 2006 release.
    5 - The MP3 sounds better than the 2005 rebroadcast and is also longer
    6 - Go to my transfer of 1967-11-05 to restore a clean intro to the MP3 (but I don’t think this is necessary).
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    Default 20 December 1967, Top Gear recording

    7. Vegetable Man - JWB's The Syd Barrett Tapes
    8. Scream Thy Last Scream - JWB's The Syd Barrett Tapes (plus see my note below about DJ chatter)
    9. Pow R Toc H - JWB's The Syd Barrett Tapes
    10. Jugband Blues - JWB's The Syd Barrett Tapes (plus see my note below about DJ chatter)

    "Chris", provider of the source for The Syd Barrett Tapes, are you a member here on Y? It would be great to have some details of your source and, personally, I would love to transfer it on my equipment.

    I have transferred some tapes which were copied from a set of reels donated to the BBC of the complete three hour programme. They are a very good representation of what you would expect an off-air recording from the time to sound like and are inferior to The Syd Barrett Tapes. They do, however, offer a little bit more relevant DJ chatter at the end of Scream Thy Last Scream and the beginning and end of Jugband Blues.

    This session was rebroadcast on 11 February 1968 and on that occasion featured an interview with Nick Mason which a number of collectors have. Like the Roger Waters interview below it could fit nicely in the set.
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    Default 25 June 1968, Top Gear recording

    Radio 1 Archive - 5668 (for the complete but damaged reels of the programme)

    11. The Murderotic Woman or Careful With That Axe, Eugene - neonknight's minidisc (not circulating yet)
    12. The Massed Gadgets Of Hercules - neonknight's minidisc (not circulating yet)
    13. Let There Be More Light - neonknight's minidisc (not circulating yet)
    14. Julia Dream - neonknight's minidisc (not circulating yet)

    My minidisc came from the BBC archive in about 2006 and appears to be sourced from a largely undamaged backup from the master reel. All the John Peel comments are present.

    11,13,14 - The BBC recording of the complete 1968-08-11 programme has been damaged since at least 1996 and the tape wear can be clearly heard on the jonsatticuk transfer to DAT from the master, the 2016 official release and my recording that I made at an archive. Try Julia Dream from 20-35s for a good example.

    There is a Westwood LP that was pressed nine years earlier in 1987 and it plays fine. You can find my transfer of this LP here on Y.

    The June 25, 1968 session was first broadcast on Top Of The Pops during week 31 of 1968 (end of July/beginning of August), presented by Brian Matthew. It included Julia Dream, Let There Be More Light and "Murderistic Women" (called that way by Brian Matthew). Top of the Pops transcription disc 192 could also prove to be a useful addition for this date (a link to what we currently have is below).

    I would also introduce the interview with Roger Waters by Brian Matthew that was only broadcast on Top of the Pops. It’s available on BBC documentary The Story of Pop, part 26 and on the BBC Top of the Pops transcription disc http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread...cs-(1968-1970)

    The BBC’s written archives show that the music was recorded in the afternoon of 25 June from 2.30pm and the Roger Waters interview with Brian Matthew for the 'Top Of The Pops' overseas radio programme was recorded separately at 6pm.

    For further info about Top of the Pops see http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/arti...op-of-the-pops and
    http://totp.torbenskott.dk/

    For an interesting explanation of how MOB created the HRV version of this date see post #77: http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread...pilation/page8
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    Default 2 December 1968, Top Gear recording

    15. Point Me At The Sky - 2016 BBC vinyl official version
    16. Baby Blue Shuffle In D Major - neonknight and careful53’s as yet unreleased new source 1
    17. Embryo - 2016 BBC vinyl official version + six seconds at the end from neonknight’s as yet unreleased new source
    18. Interstellar Overdrive - neonknight and careful 53’s as yet unreleased new source 1 mixed with Doinker’s German trading tape to deal with the bursts of AM interference

    15,17 - These were pressed to vinyl by the BBC for its Top of the Pops series for broadcast on overseas radio stations. Seek out programme 218. See http://totp.torbenskott.dk/aspmaker1...st&show_no=218 It’s possible that this vinyl was the source for the Westwood LP referred to below and the official release in 2016.

    A fresh transfer of TOTP or Westwood 60s at the Beeb LP could improve on the official release.

    The BBC Radio 1 archive reference for these two songs is TW2. They have a copy of OOTD from September 1971 stored under the same reference. I have a an excerpt of the 1971 disc featuring OOTD (I didn’t get it from the archive). It is introduced by Brian Matthew and mentions Top of the Pops. The disc is wrongly attributed to 1970 in the torbenskott database and was first broadcast in December 1971.

    Is there a collector on the forum who has a vinyl copy of Top of the Pops or Westwood?

    For Westwood see http://pinkfloydarchives.com/DUSLPW1.htm#SatB for details.

    For some additional John Peel dialogue from 15 December 1968 see neonknight/careful53 source 2.
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    Default 20 December 1968, Radio 1 Club

    An off air home reel to reel recording of the Radio 1 Club exists and a handful of collectors have copies. Only Point Me At The Sky and Careful With That Axe, Eugene were recorded.

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    Default 12 May 1969, Top Gear

    19. Daybreak - master reel 24/96 transfer
    20. Nightmare - master reel 24/96 transfer
    21. The Narrow Way - master reel 24/96 transfer (currently only available in 16/44)
    22. The Beginning - master reel 24/96 transfer
    23. Beset By Creatures Of The Deep - master reel 24/96 transfer

    This one’s simple. Content-wise the band need to restore the missing nine seconds of the opening to The Beginning which they inexplicably removed when transferring the Radio 1 Archive 5" spools. Then they should do a much better job of the remastering because the HRV version currently provides serious competition.

    19,20,22,23 - If you want these tracks in 24/96 now go to the Pink Floyd 2016 The Early Years 1967-72 Cre,ation (Remastered) available from sites such as www.highresaudio.com. The tracks sound slightly better than the versions on the box set. The 24/96 of Daybreak has a fragment of sound at the beginning that should have been trimmed off. There are also digital clicks during the first part of both versions which can be removed.

    A very nice unprocessed version of the session missing Daybreak circulated amongst collectors in 2004 in 16/44 shn format.
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    Default 16 July 1970, Peel Sunday Concert

    24. The Embryo
    25. Fat Old Sun
    26. Green Is The Colour
    27. Careful with that Axe, Eugene
    28. If
    29. The Atom Heart Mother

    The band need to do a better job with their 24/96 transfer of the BBC’s mono master reels (Atom Heart Mother is on reel two).

    In the meantime the best copy is either my 24/96 transfer with falbrav’s restoration of The Embryo or jonsatticuk’s ‘mono master’. If any collectors have a DAT 48kHz of this version it could be slightly better.

    Completists - don’t forget the 1970s KSJO broadcast for a different mono mix.

    I think the simulated stereo version should be avoided.
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    Default 30 September 1971, Sounds Of The Seventies In Concert

    Stereo

    30. Fat Old Sun - Arnold_Layne DSD
    31. One Of These Days - ArnoldLayne DSD
    32. Embryo - neonknight / Kbrubaker WNEW broadcast
    33. Echoes - Arnold_Layne DSD
    34. Blues - neonknight / Kbrubaker WNEW broadcast

    Mono

    35. Fat Old Sun
    36. One Of These Days
    37. Embryo
    38. Echoes

    30,31,33 ArnoldLayne’s DSD files from his 1978 BBC 7" 7.5ips 2 track stereo reel are unlikely to be surpassed as a raw source but might benefit from some light remastering. Arnold_Layne also produced a PCM version which has the advantage of being easier to remaster.

    32,34 - I would happily hand over my uncorrected tape transfer. Kbrubaker’s source has his reel / cassette in storage.

    35,36,37,38 - again the band need to do a better job of their remaster of their 24/96 transfer. Until then the best source is the jonsatticuk version. If any collectors have a 48kHz DAT of the jonsatticuk version it could be slightly better.

    Completists - don’t forget the OOTD alternative mix I released in August 2013… but it might not be genuine.
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    This is the thread I was waiting to see.
    And a more impressive rendition than I would have imagined!
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