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    Default PF-Ummagumma Live Album Side (Sigma 257) (Flac)

    From https://gullveig.org/:
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    Pink Floyd
    Ummagumma - Live Album Side
    Flat Transfer Master Complete Edition
    Sigma 257

    1969.04.27
    Mother's Club
    Birmingham, UK

    1969.05.02
    Manchester College Of Commerce
    Manchester, UK

    Audience recordings

    Original bootleg discs -> EZ CD Audio Converter -> FLAC level 5
    Ripped and shared by Gullveig.org

    01 Astronomy Domine
    02 Careful With That Axe, Eugene
    03 Interstellar Overdrive
    04 Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun
    05 A Saucerful Of Secrets

    Date prepared: 2020.11.07

    01 Astronomy Domine.flac:f91d6c80aa3a4e6518937074b968120a
    02 Careful With That Axe, Eugene.flac:b024d4ce8b80dac9b0b3b7bab452b303
    03 Interstellar Overdrive.flac:2876f8d76ce74d32490fb8fbc17cc58a
    04 Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun.flac:a4ba76c3627b67d52b0ec0751fe78b65
    05 A Saucerful Of Secrets.flac:649ac18d6f68d3db584efbd0fc706f28

    3243b27820d69a4c39806cb4270ea6be *01 Astronomy Domine.flac
    023c341bac14d26202f8fc813cac5d21 *02 Careful With That Axe, Eugene.flac
    cae83894ee1ad5b62c3467c89f93456f *03 Interstellar Overdrive.flac
    fc68af6ff490083c83b8de2ed6ea9bfc *04 Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun.flac
    bbc1bdcfc6e0b555ecc94965cc3442ca *05 A Saucerful Of Secrets.flac

    length expanded size cdr WAVE problems fmt ratio filename
    8:46.53 92911100 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5477 01 Astronomy Domine.flac
    9:26.72 100011788 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5208 02 Careful With That Axe, Eugene.flac
    13:30.06 142898156 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.4991 03 Interstellar Overdrive.flac
    9:26.62 99988268 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.4994 04 Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun.flac
    12:49.43 135752780 B --- -- ---xx flac 0.5568 05 A Saucerful Of Secrets.flac
    54:00.11 571562092 B 0.5246 (5 files)
    Last edited by nipote; 2020-11-09 at 09:30 PM. Reason: Official stuff

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    This is certainly worth investigating because it doesn't all match Careful With These Tracks (YCCD016).

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    Thanks very much for uploading this
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    I'm becoming a bit less hopeful about this and forming the impression that tracks 1-3 are from Careful With These Tracks and 4-5 are from a CD or cassette of the official album.

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    They overlayed the scream on top of CWTAE, no?

    Seems like they omitted the outro to STC from Roger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plegault View Post
    They overlayed the scream on top of CWTAE, no?
    Worse, I think. There is a source switch 35 secs into CWTAE and I am forming the impression that the official version takes over.

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    It's like a 'best of Ummagumma'; the author has leant towards keeping the most useful bits from Careful With These Tracks and best sounding / most complete recordings where there was a choice. ASOS from Careful With These Tracks was probably dropped, for example, because it is so overdriven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neonknight View Post
    I'm becoming a bit less hopeful about this and forming the impression that tracks 1-3 are from Careful With These Tracks and 4-5 are from a CD or cassette of the official album.
    I could only listen and check thoroughly Astronomy Domine, and it's... strange. Most of the track sounds like the official release, but with some intro and outro sounds taken from Careful With These Tracks. The spectral analysis tends to confirm that kind of editing (the beginning and the end of the track show a cut of higher frequencies over approx. 15 kHz, consistent with CWTT which was sourced from a lossy Minidisc source if I remember well). Careful With That Axe Eugene shows the same trickery (I didn't closely listen to it yet).
    For IO, the spectrum shows a clear frequency cut - but there's also some stuff happening between 15 and 20 kHz, so I assume Sigma used the CWTT source and applied some filters or EQ that produced some high-frequency artifacts.
    STCFTHOTS and ASOS, on the other hand, show a full spectrum during the whole tracks.
    So... Is it a "flat transfer" of a genuine master of the live part of Ummagumma ? Or just, as NK says, something mostly sourced from an official CD or tape, with some bits from CWTT thrown in for completeness and bootleg credibility ?
    Last edited by chrisfromparis; 2020-11-09 at 09:27 PM.

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    Move to Pink Floyd Related Forum for comments.

    PM if you need another listen.
    Last edited by nipote; 2020-11-09 at 09:38 PM.

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    In my opinion, Careful With That Axe Eugene is 99% from Ummagumma.

    Scream isn't present on Careful With These Tracks, and after the soundcheck before the song, clear is a jump from two different sources.
    I think Sigma made a mix from Careful With These Tracks and Ummagumma official, maybe I'm wrong, but seems nothing new.

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