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    Just wanting to touch base about this. I know I see remastered recordings. I also realize that the trading pool can be very polluted by such things. I have about 25 years of audio experience. Not claiming to be any kind of authority but I have some chops. I also have 30 years of tape trading and concert recording experience.

    Sometimes I clean something up for my own enjoyment. For example on another group someone was asking about lifting the vocals in the 9/13/67 Copenhagen recording. Kind of referencing the tools used in Get Back. Got me curious so I searched my personal archive and put my hands on a lossless version that was seeded in 2005. Supposedly: Master Cassette* > DAT (x5) > flac frontend > flac "EL Source". I loaded it up to have a listen/look. Issues with hum, hiss, resonant frequencies, pitch. Of course the vocals are buried and I don't think any current technologies and anything I have access to will change that. But I did clean it up for my own listening. Then I thought to take a look at other sources here. There are obviously quite a bit. I didn't know if anyone would be interested in it, or comparing it to existing versions? Some screenshots here.

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    I can't speak for others, but for myself the visual captures you posted tell me nothing really about the difference in sound. If there is some way to post a song or even a clip as a sample of your work, that would go a long way toward gaining the support of your efforts toward improving the listenability of a given source. My own personal take is that as long as the original source exists in wide circulation, it can't hurt to try to improve it, especially if done with finesse and technical wisdom.

    I have done a little work here where I used someone else's source, and I made a point to reach out to the poster and ask permission to use their material. That is certainly the polite approach.

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    Thank you. Very good point. I've attached two 90 second clips here. 320kbps MP3 but should give a good idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cleantones View Post
    Thank you. Very good point. I've attached two 90 second clips here. 320kbps MP3 but should give a good idea.
    Sounds better to me. It goes without saying that one should always start with the best available source. Not sure if this is the case here, but that could be another reason to contact the person who posted the material.

    Nice job!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swirling Panpot View Post
    It goes without saying that one should always start with the best available source. Not sure if this is the case here, but that could be another reason to contact the person who posted the material.
    Thanks. I totally agree. The file set I had for this was from over 15 years ago. It doesn't site a particular RoIO. This appears to be the same source seeded a few years later. Now that I've found the thread the original 2005 file set source looks to be Dan Lynch (nyctaper). He is saying (in 2008) the HVR source is superior. So I will look for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cleantones View Post
    Thanks. I totally agree. The file set I had for this was from over 15 years ago. It doesn't site a particular RoIO. This appears to be the same source seeded a few years later. Now that I've found the thread the original 2005 file set source looks to be Dan Lynch (nyctaper). He is saying (in 2008) the HVR source is superior. So I will look for that.
    This would be the most current remastered version:

    http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread...481#post283481

    It may well not need your help, but there are probably plenty of others that might benefit. Always check the best sources thread first:

    http://yeeshkul.com/forum/showthread...t=best+sources

    Sometimes there are adds at the end of the thread that have not made it into the first pages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swirling Panpot View Post
    Always check the best sources thread first
    You know, I actually did do that. I need more time to do some comparisons. I have a half a dozen or so sources right now. I think the one mentioned in this thread was being a little more conservative than need be. I will wait till I have more time to say more.

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    Thanks for all of the conversation. I appreciate it. I haven't heard back from the folks I reached out to. I also don't think I got any feedback from the little samples I posted regarding this specific flawed recording I had done some work on. I agree with the recent general discussion about a simple/minor EQ change not likely being worthy of a new iteration. Though sometimes that's all it takes to master something depending on the source. I'm not sure if anyone would have noticed that after I started this thread I was asked to help with a K2 recording (4/18/88). That was not the recording I was thinking about when I created this thread for what that is worth. After reading everything though I lean a bit more toward keeping it to myself. Safer bet I guess. Always very impressed with the knowledge base here of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cleantones View Post
    After reading everything though I lean a bit more toward keeping it to myself. Safer bet I guess.
    I just hope this decision of yours isn't because of anything I might have written here myself, though.

    I am always happy to share my own point of view about something even in a very detailed way and to also talk about technical matters but, at the same time, you must know that it's just "my own" point of view and it does worth just as anybody else's point of view, no more no less... who am I to put any kind of limit to any other people here?
    Point is that, just like I am glad to share recordings, I am just as glad in sharing those technical informations I happen to know myself, hoping they might be useful... then, it's all about sharing, not the opposite.

    About the "politeness" point of asking permission to who originally shared a source, of course, that's not always possible and if not possible to contact the right person then it's obvious you can directly feel free to go on, which just happened sooo many times that it's not obviously a problem... after all, there are many who aren't possible to be contacted for asking and I doubt we will stop our hobby because of this.

    Of course, here in this forum, there are so many who also love remasters works that, if you believe you made a good/careful work then it would be a good choice to share it... those who are interested will surely download and enjoy it, which is the actual purpose of sharing something with the others.

    After all, unless a work is clearly "pointless" (which is a rare occurrence), it's good to offer more choices to the people...
    some are completists and then they download just everything but the others will download what they do consider interesting... what is more or less interesting is highly subjective and we are so many around here that the widest range of tastes are well represented... so, basing your choices and strategies only on the point of view of the so-called "purists" (i.e. myself) isn't maybe the most "right" thing to do... I just cannot (and don't even want to) talk on behalf of anybody else here nor I wish to decide about what the others should or shouldn't do themselves, but if someone asks me my own point of view then I feel free to tell it in a clear and detailed way, just because I know it's just my own point of view.


    Cheers,

    Vince.


    PS: I don't exactly agree with you about a well done light-handed EQ work not being worthy... most of the times, it's just the light hands which can provide the better sounding results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cleantones View Post
    Thanks for all of the conversation. I appreciate it. I haven't heard back from the folks I reached out to. I also don't think I got any feedback from the little samples I posted regarding this specific flawed recording I had done some work on. I agree with the recent general discussion about a simple/minor EQ change not likely being worthy of a new iteration. Though sometimes that's all it takes to master something depending on the source. I'm not sure if anyone would have noticed that after I started this thread I was asked to help with a K2 recording (4/18/88). That was not the recording I was thinking about when I created this thread for what that is worth. After reading everything though I lean a bit more toward keeping it to myself. Safer bet I guess. Always very impressed with the knowledge base here of course.
    Be sure to continue your work.

    The comments in this topic only once again show how interesting and difficult working with sound is.

    Good luck!

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